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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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If NATO Goes Toe-To-Toe With The Russians NATO Will Lose
http://youtu.be/Dg1qF41g2eU
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 8:45:19 PM
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Dear Critic,

«If NATO Goes Toe-To-Toe With The Russians NATO Will Lose»

I am not a military expert and I refuse to watch your demoralising clips.

We are at war and if NATO is indeed destined to lose as you claim, then we will all die an honourable death, also taking the enemies with us in a radioactive cloud.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 11:16:38 PM
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AC,

In the 1990s every single oblast in Ukraine including the Donbas and Crimea voted convincingly to leave the Soviet Union. What those in Donbas and Crimea living under the Russian boot want cannot be determined as the referendums and videos were orchestrated by the Russians and have zero credibility.

Donbas, Crimea, Kherson and Zaphorizia are recognised by the world as part of Ukraine and the sanctions and war will continue until Russia removes itself from its illegal occupation.

As for the Russians being able to beat NATO, what a laugh, Russia has the second most powerful army in Ukraine. Russia cannot even guarantee the safety of ships going to its port to export oil and grain in the black sea.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 2:13:10 PM
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"Russia is losing this war."

No they're not losing SM, the question is 'Will they win?'

Western allies receive increasingly ‘sobering’ updates on Ukraine’s counteroffensive: ‘This is the most difficult time of the war’
http://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/08/politics/ukraine-counteroffensive-us-briefings/index.html

>>The primary challenge for Ukrainian forces is the continued difficulty of breaking through Russia’s multi-layered defensive lines in the eastern and southern parts of the country, which are marked by tens of thousands of mines and vast networks of trenches. Ukrainian forces have incurred staggering losses there, leading Ukrainian commanders to hold back some units to regroup and reduce casualties.

“Russians have a number of defensive lines and they [Ukrainian forces] haven’t really gone through the first line,” said a senior Western diplomat. “Even if they would keep on fighting for the next several weeks, if they haven’t been able to make more breakthroughs throughout these last seven, eight weeks, what is the likelihood that they will suddenly, with more depleted forces, make them? Because the conditions are so hard.”<<

Well I suppose CNN is Russian propaganda now?
Told you all this stuff weeks back.

You there was one lone tank that actually made it to the first line of defense.
They fell into a trench made to stop tanks a few weeks back.
- But they did make it, the crew probably surrendered or were shot by snipers.

In my opinion Russia needs to go on it's own big offensive and show some decent gains of its own real soon.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 5:12:02 PM
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I think it's a good thing that everyone's facing Ukraine's losing prospects and gone silent.
- Because that means all the Ukrainian supporters in the west are all like...
head down, move along, nothing to see here...
War what war?

Isn't that right charter boat?

Like NSW supporters the night after QLD gets up and wins the State of Origin series, again.

"No I didn't even watch the game last night"
- 'Of course you did, you just don't want to say you did, LOSER'

The fact that the media is talking about staggering losses on the Ukrainian side, and short of a miracle little to no chance to change the current military situation, Western citizens will switch off and stop supporting sending more money and weapons.

Good.

Sooner this war is over the better.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 10 August 2023 12:38:22 PM
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AC,

The answer to your question is emphatically that Russia is not winning the war.

That the original Ukrainian strategy had limited success is clear. However, their new strategy is proving far more effective. Their use of long-range artillery and missiles is having a devastating effect on Russian logistics and military encampments and is picking off Russian tanks and guns at a vastly increased rate.

The destruction of the northern Crimean bridges has made supplies to Zaphorisia very difficult and the critical damage to 2 Russian ships has made 3rd party ships avoid transporting Russian grain or oil from the black sea drastically reducing Russian revenue even further.

The cluster bombs fired from the 155 howitzers are taking a terrible toll on the Russians all along the front whether in the trenches or not. Ukraine will soon be taking delivery of Abraham tanks and F16s to start shooting down Russian aircraft along with dozens more Leopard 2 tanks and even more Leopard 1 and other tanks.

The Ukrainian anti-aircraft systems are stopping most of the missiles and the Russians can only hit civilian areas.

Russia is definitely not winning the war and has no chance of a second major offensive after its first failed one.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 10 August 2023 2:50:41 PM
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