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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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"Abraham tanks and F16s" Lol
- They're getting 31 Abrams tanks, they'll be burned out in 2 weeks
As for the F-16s, they're not getting new up-to-date ones
They've getting ones that have been or are stated to be retired.
- And there's only 8 Ukrainian pilots ready for training and the date to begin training hasn't even been set yet.
There's another 20 Ukrainian pilots, but they need to be taught english first due to language barriers before they can be trained.

- The whole thing smells of the US wanting to back out.
The military industrial complex doesn't want to be embarrassed when they're quickly destroyed by Russian integrated air defence.

And if the cluster bombs are doing such a great job, why are Russians advancing;
Or are the Ukrainians only using the cluster bombs on civilian areas?

The Chongar Bridges?
Was Ukraine aiming at the bridge or the school it hit?
Was it aiming at the bridge and hit the school by mistake?
Or was it aiming at the school and hit the bridge by mistake?

Ukraine shells Chongar Bridge and settlement of Chongar with Storm Shadow missiles
According to the Kherson Region’s acting governor Vladimir Saldo, "the most vile thing done by the Kiev regime is that a school in the settlement was hit"
http://tass.com/emergencies/1657227

I guess it may have been an storm shadow shot down with Russian air defence?
Just like many of the so called missile attacks on Ukrainian civilian structures, but we wont go there...
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 10 August 2023 3:53:48 PM
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AC,

I notice that the claim that a school was hit was by a Russian blogger and while they had a photo of the damaged bridge, there was no evidence of any school damage. I call BS on that.

As for the M1 tanks, it is more likely that the tanks that will burn will be Russian as plenty are burning now.

As for the F16s, even the earlier ones have better radar and avionics than Russian planes and far better weapons/missiles. Also, the US is not the only country training Ukrainian pilots.

Russia's economy is circling the drain, and the constant stream of funerals and loved ones missing in Russia is beginning to get noticed and discontent is rising.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 11 August 2023 8:59:17 AM
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"...there was no evidence of any school damage."
- Yeah I saw that too, I probably should've said 'unconfirmed'.

Looks like your favorite spokesperson isn't too happy about the recent CNN coverage.

http://twitter.com/SarahAshtonLV/status/1689624808869224448
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 11 August 2023 5:05:00 PM
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AC,

I see that Ukraine has retaken Urozhaine, and hit the Kerch bridge again in 4 places. I also see that civilians have no access to the hospitals in occupied areas as they are choked with wounded and dying Russian soldiers.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 14 August 2023 3:28:37 AM
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"I see that Ukraine has retaken Urozhaine, and hit the Kerch bridge again in 4 places."

Is that keeping your war hopes alive?
Sounds a bit desperate.

what about the 37 or 57 settlements in Kupiansk they evacuated with 11,000 people?
- Move along nothing to see here, right?

http://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/16/world/europe/ukraine-urozhaine-village-russia-war.html
"Ukrainian forces have retaken the tiny village of Urozhaine, moving farther into the Mokri Yaly River Valley in the south of the country, after more than a week of battling Russian troops."

'tiny village'

Don't waste my time with pointless attempts at point scoring.
They'll be lucky to hold onto it for a day or 2.
Let me know when they've taken Torske and Melitopol.

(We both know that's highly unlikely / near impossible)

Kersh bridge... [rolls eyes]
Did you win the war yet?
Haven't you taken Crimea back yet, what's taking you so long?
I thought they were planning Nazi day trips to the beach months ago?
What happened?

Dead.
That's what happened.
Biden will probably keep it going all through next year too, rather than face failure.
So there will be plenty more pointless deaths in the forseeable future.
If dead Ukrainians excites you.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 17 August 2023 10:53:11 PM
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AC,

Torske is still under Ukrainian control and Russia is losing Robotyne and Kozachi Laheri.

What is keeping your war hopes alive? The many 1000s of dead Russians, 3 KA52s being shot down this month, Russian tanks and equipment being destroyed, and Russians retreating?

The Ruble is collapsing and Russia is running out of money and is cheating its soldiers out of pay.

Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Friday, 18 August 2023 11:20:46 AM
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