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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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"Ukrainians have already broken through the first lines of defence and are in Robotyne."

Ummm no.
Robotyne is in the security zone.
http://youtu.be/UTK5j_nzk1w

Take all the Robotynes you want.
It's a long way to the Sea of Azov.
Ukraine has lost 45+ thousand troops since the the offensive began.
Their forces are greatly diminished, and aren't going anywhere.
They'll likely be left to rot in the fields like so many others.

I don't know why you lot get all excited and hopeful about the next 'whatever'.
It only ever brings your side more death.

Let me help you SM
Pull your fingers out of your ears and listen to what people are trying to tell you.
http://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1692294476453065114

The sooner your side accepts the inevitable the sooner innocent conscripts who have no business even being there might stop dying.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 19 August 2023 11:06:42 AM
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'Russians counter attacked around Rabotino and regained positions in the town and to the west.'
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1693949239125213371/photo/1

I told you so, what did I say?
"Russia is happy to step back when necessary let the Ukrainians take up forwards positions and then rain hell down upon them. They often recapture any lost positions within a few days."

Yawn.

This is interestiing
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1693683665715462208

Isn't the 82nd brigade the one the one held in reserve with the Challenger 2 tanks?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2023/08/15/ukraines-powerful-82nd-brigade-once-held-in-reserve-has-finally-joined-the-counteroffensive/

Looks like things haven't gone so well then.
- And now they're done, that's the end of their offensive.
I guess it was no wonder then that Zelensky was out and about doing F-16 photo ops, it's all about the optics, all about fighting an information war for the west as much as it is a military war.
- But that military war is not looking good, and F-16's arent going to change things.

I'm not sure what the point even was, look at this map, do you actually see what the Ukrainians had to get through (minefields not shown) just to get to Tokmak?
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1693404652673577445
Let alone get to Melitopol / cut off the land bridge to Crimea, or even take Crimea?

I heard info today (apparently in the Washington Post) that prior to the start of the offensive the US had ran simulations, i.e done the war games, and they knew the counter-offensive was going to fail, they knew they were sending all these Ukrainians to die, just as many other analysts had predicted.

Oh and btw, the Abrams have issues, as many others have warned.

Tucker Carlson Talks To Colonel Douglas Macgregor About The Ukraine War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUAaWK79Vc
- Carlson is even better on Twitter than he was on Fox news.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 22 August 2023 11:58:30 PM
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AC,
The Russians had a substantial fortified line North of Robotyne which Ukraine smashed. Ukraine still holds the majority of this town and there are only skirmishes with Russians in the South. Your prediction that Russia would retake Urozhaine or any other town has completely failed to happen. The Russians have fled leaving their dead scattered everywhere.

What is clear is that in the last couple of months is that Ukraine's precision weapons and cluster munitions have been destroying tanks, BMPs, artillery and infantry at a rate that matches the slaughter of Russians at Vuhledar and Bahkmut.

Russian generals are panicking as they don't have anti-battery radar while the Ukrainians have plenty and are destroying Russian artillery at a rate that Russia can't replace.

With all the Crimean bridges damaged, Logistics are a nightmare and Ukrainian special forces have attacked 2 Russian air bases and destroyed 5 Russian planes this last week.

Russia's economy is crumbling and the losses are so high that a second conscription round is going to be called.
Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 6:52:58 AM
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"The Russians had a substantial fortified line North of Robotyne which Ukraine smashed."

That would be the front line, separate from the Surovikin line, which is 3 fortified lines of defense.

There's 3 fortified lines of defense which include tank ditches, mines and dragon teeth, ahead of that is the security zone. I'm assuming they had another defense line which was might've been the front line and ahead of that the grey zone.
- But don't quote me I'm not 100%, but I do know they've never crossed the first fortified line of defense. 1 lone Ukrainian tank made it there (some say he got lost) and he didn't see the tank trench and went in, that was earlier in the offensive, a few weeks in.

"Ukraine still holds the majority of this town and there are only skirmishes with Russians in the South."
- Like I said the other day, what of it?
Capturing it doesn't really make any difference whatsoever in the grander scheme of things, as I said a few days back.

"What is clear is that in the last couple of months is that Ukraine's precision weapons and cluster munitions have been destroying tanks, BMPs, artillery and infantry at a rate that matches the slaughter of Russians at Vuhledar and Bahkmut."
- That's the line they feed you, Ukrainian morale and support would've collapsed months ago if Ukrainians knew the real situation, but you've now ran out of reserves, Ukraine will have to take more old men and boys to plug the gaps on losses.

They don't have anything left with which to launch a counter offensive, it's all gone.

Nearly 50k Ukrainian dead just in the offensive, not a whole lot less less than Russia has lost for the entire war.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 7:05:39 PM
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"Russian generals are panicking as they don't have anti-battery radar while the Ukrainians have plenty and are destroying Russian artillery at a rate that Russia can't replace."
[Rolls eyes and shakes head]
- It's all projection, and a part of Ukraine and the Wests information war, just the same as when they said a million times Russia was out of missiles.

- Basically they are keeping you fed on a daily dose of bs.

But your mind will never compute that, because you've been lead to believe the other side is the patholgical liar and the West is honest in it's reporting, when the opposite is true.
They know how gullible the average joe is and they're playing you for a fool.

- You'll never be able to get your head around the fact that the west lies to its citizens in matters of foreign policy and war...
You know they are, but your mind still can't get itself around it.

Hello Iraqi WMDs.
Hello Nordstream
Hello Wet Market

Why do you think I call you charter boat SM?
You just can't comprehend that your spoonfed bs
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 7:12:53 PM
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"Russia's economy is crumbling and the losses are so high that a second conscription round is going to be called."
- They're still doing alright.

They've been adding to troop numbers the whole entire time, never stopped, just kept it quiet.
But I have heard talk of 500,000 in a second mobilisation.
Russia has 250,000 reserves itching to get into the fight right now but held back in case Poland makes a move.
Putin's approval rating has improved and the Russian people have unified, I would not at all be surprised if Russia is thinking of a big push soon, and they would probably want to get a new army's worth of troops into training and in reserve, just in case of US or Polish/Lithuanian or NATO intervention.

But Russia needs to make a big push, it's coming.

This whole Robotyne thing is just an attempt at gaining something Zelensky can talk up on Ukrainian Independence Day.

The village itself has little significance.
Meanwhile not much talk about the situation / loss of territory in Kupiansk.
- That's going to hurt morale when it happens, and going by the evacuations and bridges being blown up they are indeed planning to step back to the other side of the Oskil River at least.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 7:26:26 PM
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