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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?
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Posted by shadowminister, Monday, 7 August 2023 8:39:31 AM
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http://www.facebook.com/EuropeanCommission/posts/-the-russian-economy-is-in-tatters-we-have-cut-off-three-quarters-of-russias-ban/458932362938565/
"European Commission The Russian economy is in tatters. We have cut off three quarters of Russia’s banking sector from international markets, nearly 1000 international companies have left the territory, imports and exports are down and the production of cars has fallen by 75% compared to last year. Sanctions are essential to preventing Russia’s ability to wage war. It is the Kremlin that has put the Russian economy on the path of oblivion. Our sanctions are working. And they are here to stay." Russia becomes Europe’s biggest economy The country’s GDP in PPP terms is outperforming that of Germany, according to World Economics http://www.rt.com/business/580817-russia-europe-biggest-economy/ Germany faces 5 tough years, economy minister warns Berlin should borrow money to subsidize energy for companies or risk losing its industry, Robert Habeck cautions. http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-economy-minister-robert-habeck-recession-energy-subsidies/ Some here have been sniffing glue. "The casualty figures for the Ukrainians that you quote are made up by some Russian idiot sitting in the basement of the Russian propaganda dept and bear no resemblance to reality." Funny how their numbers for lost tanks and equipment are accurate though, so how how does that work? While you cling on to hope that bears little connection to reality Ukrainian cemeteries are getting bigger. Maybe the Poles and Lithuanians will send some of their own cannon fodder next, Putin says they won't be going home. I heard about the F16 situation. Apparently only 8 Ukrainian pilots can be trained due to barriers with the english language. There's another 20 they intent to first teach english to first then they will be able to train them on the F-16, training which doesn't even have a start date yet. You know they are only getting old clapped out F-16 from the netherlands etc when they are due for retirement? http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/netherlands-seriously-considering-sending-f-16s-ukraine-2023-05-26/ "According to figures from the Dutch defence ministry the Netherlands currently has 24 operational F-16's which will be phased out by mid-2024. Another 18 of the jets are currently available for sale, of which 12 have been provisionally sold." Russias been accepting deliveries of new fighters, (not that they don't have 600 odd already) Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 7 August 2023 12:00:45 PM
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A military defector who fled Russia on foot
has given a rare interview to the BBC in which he paints a picture of an army suffering heavy losses and experiencing low morale: http://bbc.com/news/world-europe-65867990 Posted by Foxy, Monday, 7 August 2023 1:21:07 PM
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Anybody interested in facts can easily Google them
and learn about Russian deserting troops who don't see justice in this war. To many it's a real-life nightmare. Many soldiers talk about going up against tanks with only machine guns. They have nothing to fight with. The morale is low and the disarray and horror of trench warfare is unbearable. Posted by Foxy, Monday, 7 August 2023 1:36:13 PM
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More hypocrisy from the EU...
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10191&page=0#349772 The battle of narratives around the food crisis http://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/battle-narratives-around-food-crisis%C2%A0_en "The war of aggression against Ukraine puts the world in danger of a famine affecting hundreds of millions of people. We must urgently enable Ukraine to export it's grains. We are also ready to work to prevent any unwanted impact of our sanctions on global food security." - Joseph Borrell. [Well why were they blocking all of Russias grain and fertilizer shipments and taking most of the grain for themselves?] Borrell urged the poorest African countries to starve for independence. http://twitter.com/Sprinter99800/status/1687715598745182208 "By accepting free Russian grain, you will give up independence. They are trying to revive slavery in free land, to bring you to your knees. You have to choose between hunger and human dignity ." - I thought they were kicking out French neo-colonialism. The Niger crisis shows France’s quasi-empire in Africa is finally crumbling http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/aug/05/niger-crisis-france-empire-africa-coup-colony Niger coup: Is France to blame for instability in West Africa? http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-66406137 Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 7 August 2023 2:52:02 PM
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About as effective as a fart in a blizzard.
Start your own discussion stop trying to divert mine! Za-mohl-chee! Posted by Foxy, Monday, 7 August 2023 2:56:49 PM
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What you are posting as facts is complete crap.
The casualty figures for the Ukrainians that you quote are made up by some Russian idiot sitting in the basement of the Russian propaganda dept and bear no resemblance to reality.
The Ukrainians instead of using Russian meat wave attacks are taking back territory from Russia slowly but in a way to inflict maximum casualties and equipment loss on the Russians. Russians are losing 3-4 tanks a day, with similar numbers for AFVs and artillery systems and killing 300-400 Russian soldiers daily. The daily strikes against Russian ammo dumps, bridges, headquarters etc have reduced Russian firing rates to lower than Ukrainian firing rates for the first time.
Russia's backing out of the grain deal and attacks on grain storage facilities have backfired spectacularly as Ukraine has declared the entire Russian black sea ways an operational area and successfully crippled 2 ships outside Russia's Novorossiisk port from which Russia exports all its Urals oil and its grain. This means that there will be zero insurance for ships docking at Russian ports and Russia's ability to export oil and grain will be severely limited.
Russia is paying a terrible price for holding onto Ukrainian territory and will lose the war.