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The Forum > General Discussion > Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Torske is still under Ukrainian control and Russia is losing Robotyne and Kozachi Laheri.

Tokmak sorry.
And who gives a crap about those small abandoned and largely destroyed towns and villages?
They mean absolutely nothing, except a way for Ukraine to have anything albeit insignificant to distract away from the total loss situation its actually in.

Russia is not specifically trying to take territory.
It's objective is to destroy the Ukrainian military.

But Ukraine is doing a really good job of destroying itself, throwing its men at a brick wall with no chance of achieving anything noteworthy.

Russia is happy to step back when necessary let the Ukrainians take up forwards positions and then rain hell down upon them.
They often recapture any lost positions within a few days.

And what happens if you actually reach the first fortified line of defense?
There are tank ditches, minefieds and dragons teeth you know.
There's no avoiding these obstacles.

Ukrainians will be out in the open with no air support while Russian drone surveillance provides targeting co-ordinates for artillery and kamikaze drones.
What happens if you make it through the first fortified line of defence and make it to the second?
Ukrainians are all going to die there, and the West will have achieved nothing.

What is keeping your war hopes alive?
- Hope that the US gets a blood nose, and changes its warmongering neoconservative foreign policy attitude of threats, blackmail, regime change and military intervention away from all these endless wars, war profits, corrupt politicians and needless suffering.

What JUST Leaked Out of Congress Is HORRIFYING!
http://youtu.be/ZaCnK_nFLg8
Posted by Armchair Critic, Friday, 18 August 2023 11:52:09 AM
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Regardless of who wins, there is suffering and death on both sides. The tragedy continues.
Posted by david f, Friday, 18 August 2023 6:19:51 PM
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Baldrick,

Ukrainians have already broken through the first lines of defence and are in Robotyne. Their strategy is to massacre Russian defenders with cluster munitions then advance and ambush the Russian counterattack. The Russian force that fled Urozhaine lost 3/4 of its manpower and all its vehicles.

I believe that they have now shot down 4 KA52 helicopters this month and that Russia may have as few as 40 left and can't build any more. and there is a massive fire at the Novorossiyk

Ukraine's population is determined to drive Russia out to the pre-2014 borders and is not going to stop.

Russia's economy is running out of money and Russia is losing this war.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 19 August 2023 6:12:49 AM
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50 years ago yesterday, Australia's involvement in that disgusting American war of aggression in Vietnam ended. One must feel sorry for those broken old men who fought in that misguided war, and are still reliving the horror of it 50 years later.

As for Ukraine, look at the infantile commentary from those safe at home, couch potatoes, keyboard warriors, claiming to "know" what's involved, what's going on, insensitive to the suffering of others, how laughable are these lounge room generals.
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 19 August 2023 6:41:44 AM
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Village idiot,

Here to virtue signal, I see.
Posted by shadowminister, Saturday, 19 August 2023 7:08:29 AM
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Ha, General Trumpster, takes 'time out' to fire a shot at me, from behind his heavily fortified keyboard! Oh no, he's been wounded! stepped on his mouse pad!
Posted by Paul1405, Saturday, 19 August 2023 7:20:02 AM
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