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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?
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Oh sorry Foxy, I didn't realise this was your private echo chamber
Posted by Armchair Critic, Monday, 7 August 2023 7:43:32 PM
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Ukraine can't win the war by sitting on the defensive, and it lacks the offensive capability to change the current situation.
It looks like Russia has no choice except to cross the Dnieper and march through Kiev to put all this to an end. - And it could've all been avoided if the West had respected Russia's security interests, not tried to force a NATO encroachment on their border as well as honoured the Minsk agreements, or recogniged the Donetsk Peoples Republic and the Luhansk Peoples Republic wish for autonomy after a western sponsored coup. That is, if not for the Wests belligerence creating the conditions for a war, none of this would've happened. Russia has been speaking out against the Wests activities for 15 years. The West is using the term 'stalemate' because it can't accept the word 'defeat'. They have FAILED in everything they have tried to throw at Russia, whether attempts to cause civil unrest in Russia and remove a foreign leader, or economic war, or win militarily. The question is are they willing to push this to nuclear WWIII in their arrogance, rather than accept their defeat? For now at least they seem to want to keep sending Ukrainians to die needlessly when they lack the offensive capability to win the war militarily, and this is a cold hard fact. Zelensky has gone from the person everyone in the West wanted to be seen with, to the person no-one in the West wants to be seen with. I expect Russia will have a second mobilisation soon, and embark on an major offensive of their own that will put all this to an end, if Ukraine doesn't run out of weapons and ammunition and capitulate beforehand. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:07:42 AM
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Russia will have to lay siege to Kiev, maybe next year.
Then finally this stupid war and the unnecessary killing will be over. The West has sought to turn brother against brother so that Russians and Ukrainians hate each other for decades, and that it can capitalise from that situation, which is all it really cares about, money and power. - This kind of childish schoolyard charades needs to stop. These belligerent kinds of antics need to go into the dustbin of history so that a fairer, peaceful and more respectful world can emerge. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 12:17:12 AM
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Dear Critic,
Only blind Freddy can believe that Putin will stop at Kiev. Could this KGB officer ever accept the loss of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, Moldova, Albania, the Baltic countries and half of Germany? Then of course his friend, Xi, is only waiting in the shadows for the success of his test-probe to convince him that he can successfully take Taiwan, Japan and Australia. We are already in WWIII and NATO can win it with conventional weapons - but if Putin initiates a nuclear phase then no problem, that will truly be the end of his U.S.S.R. (of America too maybe, but isn't this what you want all along?) Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 1:00:43 AM
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Baldrick,
You just make yourself look like a moron when you post crap like "Russia becomes Europe’s biggest economy" Russia's economy is 1/2 that of Germany's and is smaller than the UK, France, and Italy in the EU and is only just bigger than Australia's which has less than 1/5th of the population. The only reason that Russia's economy hasn't completely collapsed is that Russia is spending big from its reserves which at this rate will run out shortly. As for tank numbers destroyed Oryx counts losses on both sides based on photographic evidence. These numbers are certified and a base low http://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 5:51:31 AM
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"Only blind Freddy can believe that Putin will stop at Kiev."
Contrary to popular opinion Yuyutsu, Russia doesn't want to occupy territory where the citizens are against it. "Could this KGB officer ever accept the loss of Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Hungary, Romania, Moldova, Albania, the Baltic countries and half of Germany?" Putin might think that the fall of the USSR was a geopolitical tragedy, but he doesn't wish to revive it, for the above reasons. What Putin wants is 'Security Assurances' and he's been speaking up about the worsening situation in that regard for the last 15 years. The US wasn't satisfied with the fall of the USSR. Like a vulture, it wanted to pick over the corpse. It wants to chop Russia up in to smaller pieces and take all its wealth and resources for itself. "Then of course his friend, Xi, is only waiting in the shadows for the success of his test-probe to convince him that he can successfully take Taiwan, Japan and Australia." Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 8 August 2023 8:50:47 AM
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