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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?
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Posted by Yuyutsu, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:00:55 PM
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Dear Foxy,
Putin authorised the invasion and could order the army out of Ukraine at any time and have no risk of Russia being attacked. As AC pointed out (and is often repeated of Russian telly with great relish), Russia has the means to inflict nuclear devastation on western nations. When I hear western leaders boasting of how they could wipe Russia from the map with a nuclear blitzkrieg I might develop a distaste for "US imperialism". Until then I am grateful for the support given to a fledgling democracy against unprovoked genocide and obliteration. As for AC's assessment of the conflict, note that a commander of Russia's southern defensive lines just got dismissed for raising concerns about the robustness of the Russian defensive lines. I share AC's despair at the horrors of the conflict, but I have more optimism for Ukraine's chances, noting that Ukraine is becoming increasingly effective at eliminating the Russian artillery which has been the main obstacle for Ukraine in the conflict thus far. Posted by Fester, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:02:43 PM
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Dear David,
Ukraine's accesstion to NATO is supported by the vast majority of the country's population according to a poll conducted by the Rating Group on March 1st. 76% of Ukrainians support this decision. The highest figure since Ukraine achieved independence in 1991. Moreover Russia's aggression has opened Europe's eyes therefore that is the reason being left open for Ukraine to join NATO. It is also obvious that the Russian Federation is prepared to attack only those who are left alone to defend themselves. This is the core of Putin's "security assurances" to Ukraine, NATO and the US to abandon Eastern Europe to its fate as a mark of respect for Russia. Despite the Russian Defense Ministry's promises not to shoot at people or civilian targets thousands of innocent Ukrainians have already been killed by Russian weapons and shelling. Hundreds of thousands of people have been forced to flee their homes for security and basic survival. Russian occupying troops are responsible for the shelling of residential areas in Kharkiv, Mariupol, and Chernihiv, the destruction of kindergartens and schools and the fire on Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant. However, war could have been avoided if Russia had threatened not only Ukraine but all the member states of the alliance at once. Russia's behaviour is military aggression. Therefore approaching NATO makes sense. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:21:19 PM
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Dear Fester,
I too am optimistic about Ukraine's chances of survival and am horrified at Putin's actions. Hopefully, Putin will not succeed and Freedom will prevail. The Russian people must stand up and do what is right not only for themselves bu the rest of humanity. Posted by Foxy, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:26:40 PM
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Dear David,
You wrote, "Ukraine is fighting for independence from Russia.". That statement is false. Putin probably shares Kim Jong Un's fear that North Korea's citizens might see how the other half is living and ask "Why not us?". This Russian blogger asks Russian citizens how much they earn a month: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPmXMFqU1xw&t=216s Terror and misinformation is how authoritarian kleptocrats maintain their power. Posted by Fester, Friday, 14 July 2023 12:36:19 PM
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Security in our daily lives is key to our well being.
NATO'S purpose is to guarantee the freedom and security if its members. It currently has 31 member countries. Nato promotes democratic values and enables members to consult and co-operate on defence and security-related issues to solve problems, build trust, and in the long-run prevent conflict. NATO is committed to the peaceful resolution of disputes. If diplomatic efforts fail, it has the military power to undertake crisis management operations. These are carried out under the collective defence clause of NATO'S founding treaty or under a United Nations mandale in cooperation with other countries and international organisations. Hundreds of officials as well as civilians and military experts come to NATO Headquarters each day to exchange information, share ideas, and help prepare decisions when needed, in co-operation with national delegates and the staff at NATO Headquarters. The following link explains the history of NATO: http://nato.int/cps/en/natohq/declassified_139339.htm Posted by Foxy, Friday, 14 July 2023 1:09:14 PM
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The rest are tactics which are best left to the experts.
As for the use of nuclear weapons, an all-out nuclear war using 100's if not 1000's of nuclear warheads is yesterday's fear. With advancements in mathematics and automation that were not yet available during the cold war, the nuclear phase of this war is likely going to be more of a statistical nature, resulting in only a dozen or two nuclear warheads actually exploding. While this can be devastating for some, it will not have a major effect on human population, so further corrections will still be needed in future.