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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?
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Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 6 August 2023 11:35:47 AM
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Ukraine stomped into the ground?
Nah. More likely - Putin ending up in a tomb. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 6 August 2023 11:37:19 AM
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Yes of course he will still be there when the western leaders are all gone.
What planet are you living on? - And yes, what's left of Ukraine will be stomped into the ground, it's inevitable. There's a difference between truth and narrative Foxy, All you do is clutch onto false narratives. You do realise that if Ukraine was to even come close to achieving it's objectives, that would mean nuclear war? If you had any sense you'd be supporting Russia, if for no other reason that nuclear WWIII is a really bad idea. If Putin was gone, the West would face a much more hardline leader than Vladimir Vladimirovich, let me assure you. Thankfully, Russia's winning, and there's no need for them to go nuclear. The Ukrainian military has been largely annihilated already. Their 2 month counteroffensive has cost 42,000 Ukrainian military their lives. This is the price of US / Collective West supported overthrows and foolishly believing the might of the US military could deal a heavy blow to Russia. Their achievement here: - The picture tells the story. http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1687853843827363840 The West, along with 30 NATO countries and more including ours... - Their ability to win this war militarily is zero. They can't beat Russia in Ukraine Sure can't defeat China in Taiwan. - And wouldn't have a hope in hell of defending Australia if it came to it. America is just throwing non-US lives away like garbage. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 6 August 2023 1:59:00 PM
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It's against my professional training not to
deal with facts and facts only. All I do is present the facts. I have no control over what you choose to believe. You are responsible for your own credibility, or lack of. However, the drum that you keep on beating has worn thin. And you need to change tactics. Try using facts - just for a change. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 6 August 2023 2:08:35 PM
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They ARE facts Foxy.
They're just inconvenient facts to you, when you prefer the narratives. You prefer to hear what you like to hear, rather than face the discomfort of actual truths. CNN Poll: Majority of Americans oppose more US aid for Ukraine in war with Russia http://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/04/politics/cnn-poll-ukraine/index.html "When asked specifically about types of assistance the US could provide to Ukraine, there is broader support for help with intelligence gathering (63%) and military training (53%) than for providing weapons (43%), alongside very slim backing for US military forces to participate in combat operations (17%)." The US promised support 'for as long as it takes', but I don't think anyone is coming to help. No-one in the West wants to die for Ukraine, even the foreign mercenaries left. (After Ukraine tried to pay some with counterfeit US dollars) Ukraine is done, their are merely throwing men into the meat grinder, because they can't do anything else except admit they failed. - And the US isn't capable of that anyway, so the meat grinder will continue, till there's no more meat left to feed it. What a complete waste of human life. In time you'll have to accept I was right about the situation, whether you like it or not. Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 6 August 2023 2:38:14 PM
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Dear Armchair Critic,
Please don't direct any more posts to me. I am simply not interested in your ravings. You have no credibility whatsoever. Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 6 August 2023 3:19:50 PM
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when then British Prime Minister pressed Putin about the
use of chemical weapons by the Soviet's ally in Syria,
Bashar al-Assad and discussed how far Putin was prepared to go.
Putin has proven he is ready to deploy fear as a weapon in his
attempt to subjugate a defiant Ukraine. His troops have targeted
civilians, and have resorted to torture and rape. BUT victory
has eluded him.
From the start the war has been marked by misjudgements and
erroneous calculations. Putin and his generals under estimated
Ukrainian resistance overrated their abilities of their own
forces and failed to forsee the scale of military and
economic support Ukraine would receive from the US and
European allies.
Victory makes a Soviet ruler invulnerable, defeat places a
Soviet ruler in danger from his closest courtiers, ministers
and generals. When Soviet leaders fall, nemesis usually
comes from those closest. Putin's obsession with his own
safety is not paranoia. He has every reason to be vigilant.
"When you walk down the corridors," mused Stalin, "You never
know when it's going to come."