Belly

Greens got some things wrong like stock doing environmental damage.
carbon tax can pay back the debt.

My Dads predicted a lot of this. Especially the trouble because we hurt the poorest the Indonesian farmers with live exports
4 corners has nothing to do with it- That’s just a smoke screen cook up by greens and AA imop.

Facts belly the Indonesians Minister of Trade told us march 2010 they were stopping live imports in 2014 due to Indonesia farmers protesting because our live exports was sending them bankrupt.

*Remember we, even you in some posts say it, need to import workers.*
Your correct but they purposely put restrictions on abattoirs skilled workers.

No other industry has these unreasonable restrictions.

*The live export cattle are not Australian butcher shop meat.*
No& that’s the problem- our costs shy rocket ,

*Not yet processed meat either.*

Correct all those jobs lost + the value adding jobs.

*One day a combination of west coast or NT processing and live exports will being the norm, not yet.*
That may depend if i press that button or not – to send sub to inquiry. If I do this government is finished because people will demand a royal commission.
I will explain next few posts.

*Halal remains a market we are involved in and it will grow*

Yes, but this government is asleep at the wheel . We have some problems that require ABSOLUTE urgent attention. Nobody knows who does what. Where to go to. Worse nobody cares.
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*I truly think the damage done to Australian exporters ,the live export trade , was bad*

Your state run ALP Governments run - domestic abattoirs are a bloody disgrace. NO inspectors just DPI who have mostly done MOUs with food safe.
That belly, consists of when the truck driver comes to pick the meat boxes up if “happens to see anything bad he can if he wishes report it.
Now we have these domestic halal plants doing ritual. Its cruel & must stop. Otherwise the scene you just saw on 4 corners will be played out here.
That is both wrong morally and financially . First no decent person or country should want their animals treated like that. Second it was a mistake the resume it ( allow me to tell you why before you jump on your horse) next post.. 3rd if the PM HAD NOT suspended it the trade would have been lost forever. They did it to save the trade- worst luck imop.


*This country may ride on miners backs today but exporting primary produce will always be of special interest.*
Belly, not if we don’t get our act together & get some plants & value adding happening.
Yeh I know, they think mining will never stop. The 1st rule you learn in any business is to always have more than one suppler.
That applies to both the topics we just discussed . Have a nice night.

I am returning to the subject of the thread.
I have not in my life time seen our country in such a state.
Divided not just as in the past over work choices the Vietnam war, ever ww1 conscription debates did not in my view get this heated.
Any mention of change is highlighted as Green/Labor lunatic left or tea party right.
Truth, in reporting or even talking about issues is dead.
We stand opposed to one side or the other and swap insults.
Then brand those doing nothing different than we are, from fools to extremists.
I fear we are , know in fact, going to see change in government, test me.
Signs seem to point to great change in Liberal leadership, Turnbull will lead or leave soon.
Any close monitoring of the ALP will see a maneuvering behind Gillard is taking place.
Both sides, to succeed in an election, for Labor to even have a chance, MUST highlight and grow an understanding they are anti green.
Why.
12% just that, not majority 12%
Yet our country has twice three, maybe 5 times that number who are forever uninterested in voting greens
\Why in the next post

Seemingly unrelated but follow and see.
In the March NSW election Conservatives won a historic victory, Labor in part at the hands of its own voters crashed to an all time low.
Yet the upper house, the home in the past of fools criminals and zealots is in other hands.
Did NSW voters not want Conservatives to govern.
Did they want Fred Nile to hold power of veto over them, UNLESS they REMOVED non Christian education?
Did they, do you? want two shooters party , one possibly on his way to prison, to say give kids shooting lessons or we vote against you?
How many of us think greens holding balance of power is good for Australia.
I am held to contempt for my views yet I am sure for every Green refugee from my party two leave to vote conservative.
Just not good enought to continue to post links to green policy's, to say Belly you just do not under stand us I DO !
And I do not like it AUSTRALIA is unimpressed.
Get rid of upper houses Queensland Labor did decades ago , shorten election terms and have them on FIXED DATES for greater accountability.
PREFERENCES most do not know, not understand ,if they did, if they knew going down the list could end up voting far differently than they intended.
One vote one value, no do not muddy the water, I vote Labor no preference distribution first past the post wins.
Been to a horse race? Andrew Wilkie ran THIRD! let make third past the post winner of the next Melbourne Cup.
For these views I am branded?

I with pride and Certainty am sure the ALP is the best party to follow.
A member of that party till death, its or mine, and an ex trade union official, I am against Barry OFarrell industrial relations changes.
Having had responsibility in my work life for some of the NSW instrumentality's he intends to treat cruelly I can put a solid case he is wrong.
But to not say this puts me in the class I hold more contempt for than ANY.
My party right or wrong always fools.
They MURDER ACCOUNTABILITY IMPROVEMENT .
But I truly think those minority pushing ,in my view lunatic views like Nile and the empty headed shooters party , have zero right to interfere with those voters who voted for change.

Belly,

Regarding your idea to shorten election terms. Federally, Australia already has a very short election term. I'm wondering what you are proposing in that line and how would a government implement its policies with any lasting result if the election terms were any shorter than they already are.

I am fascinated by your complete disdain of the Greens. I somehow find a parallel between your sentiments and the old class thing where the lower middle-class repudiated the working class because they had found a way to climb out and advance a little further up the social ladder.
Seems that now Labor has transformed itself into a modern corporate/media led entity that the Greens remind them where they came from - and they don't like it....