I first want to ask for civility here, yes I have always stood firmly against the idea we own threads we start.
But in this case I have been asked to debate within a frame,not every
Greens issue.
Let me start, I resent the greens,their leader and second in charge?
Why? honestly? I remember Democrats used similar power in my view better,until the GST then the wrong leader.
Greens even today,want much more than current voting intentions should give.
I know the greens policy's, But my judgment comes from their actions.
Take Tasmanian Forest deal,for a start and for a century at least we should plant no less than three trees for every one we cut down.
At some stage it can return to one for one but maybe 300 years away.
I think SOME logging can take place should take place.
I constantly see,in every party, knee bending to power and influence.
And dislike it always.
Extremes, concern me most, the path best serving us all is compromise.
My fears and concerns are separate from the damage my party is suffering.
Based on my honestly held/thought out views I fear tea party right and new left greens equally.
I fear early end to trading in coal, too high an impost on Australian industry and mining.
I fear a future that forgets to balance environment with economy.

let the greens get hung on their own petard mate
they got some great policies..but seem to
only push their worst policies

mate we are all a mix..of god
and of bad..

[only collective/selective amnesia calls them
[any 'group'..all bad..

..there are good
and bad in every party]

you said..'"we should plant no less than three trees
for every one we cut down.""

MATE WHERE?
on farmland
you suggest we grow trees..and not food[or cattle/sheep]

""At some stage it can return to one for one
but maybe 300 years away.""

mate..if thats about..
'direct action c02 capture''

there are better ways
grow algie..direct off the c02 emmited

""I think SOME logging can take place should take place""

yep me too.
but lets just protect old growth
not create more mono culture...carbon farms
wanting govt cash by our taxes

""every party,
knee bending to power and influence.""

yep mate its pathetic
is it too much to ask that govt run its own media
at election time..where ALL sides get to explain
and ban other media all together

un censord words [PROMISES}..of EGSACTLY
what your going to do...with the SPECIFIC position
we fot SPECIFIC perople into..based on their skills?

""Extremes,..concern me most,""

me too mate
the party line is corrupt
tell me mate DO the whole party agree with this malasia deal?

of course they dont
but party loyalty allows them to commit treason..EVEN to their own conscience

""the path best serving us all is compromise.""
where the money wins the power
how come its allways us compromising?

where the compromise
in taxing US WHO DONT BELIEVE THE NEO PARTY LINE?

sure tax alp who want the tax
but dont lie..and think it goes away
[it hasnt worked for bligh..and wont work with guilelard

""My fears and concerns
are separate from the damage my party is suffering.""

who are you blaming mr bell?
toney or julia?

who chose to do the damage?

@ Belly:

Yes, we're aware that you fear the Greens and the implications of their policies. Nothing new there.

I disagree. I fear the socially corrosive direction in which the hitherto 'major' parties are taking us.. I think the Greens are the party of the future and the conscience of the parliaments in which they are represented. I'd like to see virtually all of their policies - including phasing out old growth logging and the coal export industries over a suitable period of time - implemented eventually. Also nothing new there.

You said elsewhere you wanted to ask a question - but I can't see one in your OP.

Based on my honestly held/thought out views
I fear tea party right and new left greens equally.""

yes they are both a real and present danger
why?..

cause they lord it over others..giving big new taxes to all
when less that one third..want a new tax regeme
and even less getting green stuff for free

""I fear early end to trading in coal,
too high an impost on Australian industry and mining.""

me too mate
but who is threatening the jobs
then saying extra jobs..[not saying at half pay]

""I fear a future
that forgets to balance environment with economy.""

me too belly
but mate giving the stock/market
control over the cost of carbon credit...

thats a huge bailout..for criminals...
who near sent us all bust..only 2 years ago

and reduced the value of our super
and now get a new franchise carbon credit
thats the fault of the greens...serving their green-[black]mail..party green machine

Dear Belly,

Welcome back. Glad to see that you're posting again.
I can understand your concern about the Greens. You
feel that somehow they are going to take votes away
from Labor - and you could be right. I don't know
enough about the Greens or their policies. I've
never voted for them - although my son is a strong
supporter. I think most young people are.
However, the electorate at the last election
rejected a Gillard Government and an Abbott Government
and gave the nation, eventually, a Coalition of Labor,
Greens and Independents. It is obvious that the Coalition that
was formed would be unable to do everything they could do in a
majority government. And I suppose that we'll have to wait
and see what the outcome will be in the next election in 2013.

At present the political atmosphere in this country is so
thoroughly politicised - who knows what will eventually
happen. Hopefully the Greens will be willing to compromise on
policies (as they have done with putting a price on carbon - this
time around) to achieve further positive outcomes for the benefit
of the nation.

First I have asked the questions over and again.
A quick look will see them.
But hand in the air I admit my concerns/fears/ reasons for not liking the greens do not matter.
I do not like National party, one Nation Liberalism as it now is.
I fear my party's extremes.
I fear the very real damage true left radical unions do to the whole movement.
But I have no right to ask that they no longer exist.
So what am I on About, how did I travel from very near voting for them to an opponent?
2 years ago, less actually,we could have got that ETS past, greens wanted harsher, or your term maybe better, Australia seemingly did not.
Then [ remember I judge on actions not policy's]mid election to dump, my totally failed awful grubby party in NSW.
Your team saw prefferences goto even Hanson.
Bob Brown said he wanted no deal in preferences, Marickville Council in Sydney, got involved in Australian Foreign policy, wanting to Boycott Israel.
Look Morgan at my honest description of the vermin in my party in NSW that destroyed us, it took 3 years but they did it.
Would my comments about the greens have ever been that harsh? am I free to say as I wish? about any party.
We will be flooded with trash talking,about my mob and yours.
I will if you want ask those questions, but think we should engage in pros and Con's of the way greens are using their power,the value of their votes vs the power they wish in return.
Belly's exist out here, mate maybe in truth two Million of us.
I rebut every day the idea Labor betrayed its past, in truth 23 years of that past haunts me still.
And haunts my party, we can trust only this, your team and mine, both are heading for the opposition benches.
Not because voters think Labor betrayed a past most never shared.
But because voters too have moved on from that past, no longer even care about social equity.