Subject is the greens, and why I feel threatened by them, why too I feel they have peaked.
Put your self in government, no do not rush in, I just gave you the job of running this country FOR EVERY ONE.
No government can be perfect, can make every one happy all the time.
How dreadful it must be for opposition and government, on behalf of over half this country's people.
To know they send troops who died in Afghanistan, but they had no choice,those saying they did are wrong.
How many of us think anti boat people act out of spite hate xenophobia? very few of us do not understand the suffering.
Any one interested? I think this country is spending more on refugee detention that it is giving to those starving in Africa.
Is there room in Australia for a party that forcibly supports minority views.
Even if it gains its power from a majority group, the ALP?
Are we to say no?
We can not say no, surely even I can not do that.
But increasing every day the next spokes person Christian Milne? hear her talk,cringe here under my desk as I do, I will make room.
Given my view that preferential voting, a Senate more used to obstruct, we can make one vote one value first past the post work.
Senate,once the house of review is no longer of value, can this generation say it is not capable of inventing some thing better or equal to the Westminster system?
Next direction defense.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/premier-says-ethics-pledge-intact-despite-nile-process-20110802-1i9tx.html
This link while not about the greens is worth a look.
It backs up things I said about minority control/balance? of my states upper house.
Those who do not live in NSW should know the following.
for three years the ALP went in to rapid decline, ignoring even its peak body state conferences directions.
Daily nearly new scandals broke from pure criminal acts, sex scandals to, well it could not have been worse.
In March an election was held, booths once manned by the heart and sole of the ALP went unmanned.
A third of my party voted Conservative.
They won, in a state more often ruled by Labor a historic victory, TROUNCING us.
The upper house, has two shooters party members, one soon in all probability will be removed , because of past actions/events.
The Reverend Fred Nile, most see him as a fundamentalist, some think bigot.
A government, any government, with such a mandate, should it have to deal with fringe elements.
Those elements holding fringe views that are most unlikely to be approved by majority's?
Is that Democracy?
My NSW ALP is no longer the one we helped to bury, it is lead by a victim of its past crimes against its self, and you can bet the booths will be manned next time.
But it may be a few elections before Labor confronts an upper house with too much influence.
Is green control? 12% voting base any different, is it what voters want?
Am I Australian for doubting it is?

Belly,

There wouldn't be two Shooters' and Fishers' Party members if the then State Labor Government had had the guts to stand up to John Howard's blackmail.
What's wrong, in a democracy, with having the views of minority groups respected?

OK so you think minority's should have that much power?
You at times back the ALP how can you while conservatives now rule say it is ok, will you think that if Labor rules?
These are the truths, shooters party, I have been a sporting shooter all my life.
2 two SP members have over seen shooting as a school sport.
Want, may have won, shooting in national parks.
In the case above Fred Nile UNDERSTAND! has agreed to pass product of unwed parents industrial laws I totally oppose.
In return for? consideration to ending lessons aimed at setting moral boundary's for those who do not go to CHRISTIAN inductions at school.
I a trade unionist till death will not put my values in from of DEMOCRACY
If we bend to often the whole thing falls down no minority rule is my view.

Poirot,

You are 100% incorrect. Trouble makers. There must be truth in the old saying bird of a feather flock together.
What belly did was unforgivable . I only came into the thread out of pity because nobody was posting in the first place. To go running off dobbing on people trying to cause harm in *anyway you can is very spiteful and true to alp form. I most certainty do *not! have two tags but belly got me banned anyway. Well belly you really showed the true alp tactics. Trying to set people up for something they have not done.!
Even if a person has two tags i have never reported it. Trust me there a few on here & I pick them.

I see Anti has named people not even on the forum. Its clear you think I am that person and at any rate you have broken forum rules & defamed a person not here together with organizations to defend themselves- class act Anti. I am surprised those comments were not *removed and he banned tbo.? I am NOT that person. Nor I am I posting in any name other than just me-.I really resent any suggestions otherwise.
All I wanted to do on this thread was debate the state of the Tasi Forrest. Its something I have a lot of knowledge on- first hand.

I have seen the big log trucks go by all night long & seem them not stop logging despite it being off limits. I could cry to see the environmental damage done.

However, I would not P on you belly anti if your were on fire.

So I wont be debating anything at all with the people on this thread ever again.

What you all did was low. So if you feel your not wining a debate you try to get innocent people banned.

Typical of alp! but your not even alp because at least they are mostly loyal to their own- rightly or wrongly

Kerryanne,

If you deny that you have two tags, then I will apologise, although this Underbelly character seems to be uncommonly aligned with you.....nevertheless, If that's what you claim I will not continue to argue.

One thing, however, is that you are certainly capable of dishing out bellicose criticisms and of making wild assertions yourself on this forum. You set yourself up for the same in return. Has it ever occurred to you that your own attitude and bombastic swagger is often the cause of the reactionary replies you receive?

Most posters react reasonably to others unless they are baited or unfairly maligned, but react accordingly if they are treated in a confrontational manner.