PALE - not at all, but clearly you are, because you have got nowhere at all. And the longer you hide from my questions the longer people are going to wonder why.

You criticize the other organizations because they raise funds, yet clearly PALE does that too, all the while claiming to be working without payment. So why is there a Paypal "donate now" link at your websites and what do you do with the money? The Department of Fair Trading in Queensland says that PALE is not registered to collect funds as a charity, so how are you getting away with it?

After all the fanfare of the thread you started about submissions into the proposed Animal Welfare Standards, PALE chose not to provide a submission, nor, as far as I have been able to establish, did RSPCA Queensland, since I received no response to my request for a copy of the PALE/RSPCA document. And that was after all the BAD advice you provided on that thread about how to do these submissions.

Maybe you should just stick to your slaughterhouses, and abandon your pretence about animal welfare.

Nicky

pleased thats cleared up.
At least now we have established a motive for allowing this to continue on OLO.
Phew what a relief, for a while there we thought ‘maybe Nicky was GY wearing a dress :)



Nickys, on world wide internet a accusing pale and six lawyers of taking misusing donations. Not not only defames pale but my family. ~~ Clever~~

Libbers are obsessed with PALE.

‘Thanks’ for writing to fair trading it will assist us to establish our case before the judge.

You ‘still don’t get’ that HKM is a 'program' PALE put together working with RSPCA QLD Muslim Leaders and farmers.

PALE`s not personally involved in owning plants. You must be thick.

We are just babies of a few years. We`v done more already than you Debby Nicky or libbers have in twenty five pluss.

If you’re so concerned nothings through PALE why are ‘you’ not doing something. ?

Get out there and do something now- move it!

I`v ‘always’ said live exports will be ‘driven’ by the Industry.

If you want to phase out live exports you must compete offering viable alternatives and encouraging better welfare to animals.

RSPCA have more to do than write to someone that’s wasting their time. I encouraged the public to lodge subs because I am not happy with the current system.

I do not think RSPCA National should do the subs for each state. I think each state should do their own and advertise publicly loudly and heavily begging the public to put in subs, instead we hear nothing. I am not impressed by this ‘at all’.




You Debby Nicky Suzanne were offered to speak with one of our lawyers regarding the WA case= plus other programs. You declined.

We have busted open what I believe is a totally unacceptable management in Australia of Animal Welfare bodies.

This is not USA its Australia and PETA are a weird lot IMOP despite- doing a lot of good in some areas they are 'wrong' to tell people not to eat meat.

Nor did we ever say we were a charity btw.

#you criticize the other organizations because they raise funds, yet clearly PALE does#

Nicky
I do hope you guys have nice houses we can sell up for the Animals. At least ‘then’ we can say you contributed. No, we have never paid ourselves, nor will we.
Big difference between a charity like RSPCA and NFP

Don’t worry, I am sure they judge will explain it all to you both.

If anybody other than yourself is really interested in our pay pal (Which I doubt) i.e. note Dickie isnt=

The petition was in the first place set up by a volunteer. Her friend in USA build it hosted it and promoted it for no cost.

Then he died and another lady took the biz over.
She wanted $200.00 per month just to keep it up.!

She also said it wasn’t our petition and she didn’t have the keys or pass words after years of taking RSPCA QLD and PALES money.

We decided to keep it going anyway despite the obvious blackmail. We paid the $200.00 per month as a ‘thank you and ‘in memory and to honor “that wonderful man who did this for the animals.”!
Also To to help the Animals because it’s the best petition world wide against Live Animal Exports.

Its called Principle. Something you know very little about imo.



Pale has had in six years $65.00 dollars donated to it plus one lovely man sent a cheque for $250, 00 dollars.

Actually Pale 'disabled' the pay pal link on it for years (considering we were told it wasn’t our site but the volunteers?)
But not before we traced it back to Germany.

This is what I do Nicky investigations and frankly some guys are not looking too crash hot.

That would be the lady you mentioned that moved house and changed her phone number so we couldn’t find her. That is What you said- Wasn’t it?

Something tells me you’re going to make a wonderful witness!

Watch that dodgy ankle- cant have our star witness tripping down the stairs.

Can We?:)

Dear me, PALE, so many empty threats. Where are the "lawyers"? Conspicuous by their absence, as are all your other "associates". And the Paypal link works for me - funny, that. You contradict yourself over and over again. First you have no control over the website then you claim you were able to "disable" the Paypal link. Why would someone in Germany bother to set up such a link for you?

I suggest that you learn a little about the law, and what constitutes libel. Asking legitimate questions - questions, not making statements - about an organization not registered to collect funds as a charity apparently accepting donations through an internet link would constitute a "public interest" (among other) defence/s, should you be silly enough to think about pursuing such a ridiculous claim. I made no accusations, I merely asked the questions. Nor did it take long to get the information from the Department of Fair Trading (just asking the question, you understand). But do go knock yourself out. You could be defending yourself against action by other people and organizations, so you may not have time.

If PALE is not involved in operating slaughterhouses, how is it that it and HKM share the same Director/s and/or President?

I don't know who the "both" to which you refer means, but I note that you also threaten "Suzanne" (using a "lawyer"), who you apparently think I am, on Andrew Bartlett's website using the name of "Floss". For Heavens sake, what has "Suzanne" done that you think everyone who questions or disagrees with you is her? As for the person who had to move, he/she has all my sympathy. No-one in their right mind would want to communicate with you directly.

You have driven away everyone on any animal welfare threads, with your abuse and your bullying, and that is such a pity. And so sad for the animals.

Nicky

Nicky I am sure Pale could summons the X Minister for Ag and perhaps this one as well. Both sides of Federal Government are fully aware of whats taken place to stop pale reopening abattoirs to phase out live exports..

I used to post on OLO but I got so sick of you want wanting to post about Animal Welfare I just stopped.

I was the person that arranged for the pay pal to be disablied. I dont have to tell you why. I was also the one who changed it and re activated it about two months ago. It was not actived between 2003 right through to not long ago.
I know Pale does not pay wages . I also am a member of many groups and have been the whole of my life. I was so happy when I found PALE

After working in abattoirs I can say I know unless people who care about animals enter into that business animals will always suffer.

I worked in abattoirs until I moved. I stayed there not because I couldnt get another job but because I was able to make a few small changes to help the animals. I would hear from coming in on the trucks early morning and I could know if something was really wrong and an animal was hurt or very distressed.
I would rush outside and make sure whatever could be done was done. That might not seem like much to you but at least there was someone there who cared. If all the staff were like me I believe it would make a big difference. If I had the money I would buy as many abattoirs as I could and pick my staff and have strick rules.
I as well do the web pages . I do it when I can. I dont get paid and I have other groups I do work for and my children to care for.
Nobody pushes me Nicky. I just help when I can.

So, Taryn, let me get this straight. You arranged for the Paypal link to be disabled in 2003, and have now re-enabled it, all this while PALE has no control over its websites, by its own admission. So you have been doing this for PALE since 2003. And if PALE is not registered to collect funds for charitable purposes, why was it re-enabled (it worked for me last night)? So that PALE CAN collect funds from the public? No-one is questioning the issue of wages, only where the money donated through Paypal has gone since PALE is not registered to collect as a charity.

When did you last update the website/s, BTW? The material there appears to be several years old.

Conversely, however, if is true you were able to "improve" conditions for animals at slaughterhouses, obviously that is a good thing, but was it your choice to work in such environments? And in order to effect change, I would expect that you would need to be a member of the relevant union, and/or working in a management capacity (otherwise I can't quite see slaughtermen taking too much notice of one woman).

There is a pig slaughterhouse in WA which veterinary students from Murdoch University visited not long ago. It is staffed by migrant (non-union) labour, and it would seem that they have brought their third-world practices with them. The students were horrified.

Bringing in migrant workers is not the universal panacea to a labour shortage any more than "open-slather" re-opening of slaughter plants is to the live export trade. That is simply naive and unworkable as we have seen.

If you stopped posting here because I wanted to post about animal welfare, can we take that as an indication of a) the real level of your commitment to animal welfare and b) the fact that you are brought in to defend PALE when it has gone long past the point of being able to defend itself. It seems awfully coincidental that you have suddenly appeared as PALE is steadfastly refusing to answer legitimate questions about its activities.

Nicky