Hello Dickie

We too feel upset but understand in times of severe drought it can be kinder. How terrible for those mothers of the lambs. How distressing for the herd. At least they dont go on THOSE ships I guess.
What I think has been missed in animal welfare is we have not done enough research into 'particular' areas and 'farms .

In other words the Animal Welfare organisations perhaps Animals Australia must identify the properties where this happans over and over.

To do that we would need to establish a national register which all farmers would have to reoprt to if they had to carry out mass paddock slaughters.
Then have a bill passed that on those properties a limited number of animals could be bred only. It would take work to but deatils of the most effected areas in Australia are on record.

It is only reasonable that each state Government take some sort of reasonsibilty.

Also that the farmers do likewise. After all the public pay to sub farmers.
The counter argument for that of course might be that there would be a race to relocate to better pasture. This would put the little farmer up against the big boys.
That would mean more intensive and less free range.
However perhaps you have some general ideas on how we could look at farmers who have made a habbit of poor planing without proper fodder in place.
If so I would like to hear any ideas you might have.

Dickie, at some point you either can or cannot address serious
agronomic issues, the implications of drought etc and humane
solutions in our real world.

Your post shows that you clearly cannot. No wonder that
society in general and any serious political party in Australia,
does not take you and your little band seriously and you will
be largely ignored, as has been the case for years.

Either you have the ability to think rationally or you don't.

yabby

Sometimes we need to think outside the square in which we have lived.

Australia is the largest exporter of Animals but why?

When you think of it we are the most dry continent on earth.

I wonder if our reputation and romantic way of veiwing our bush is mostly within Australia.
Lets face it WHY are we dealing in breeding large heards of Animals when its a matter of record we cant cope. Over and over we have floods and drought.

Perhaps we should be only breeding what we can handle for our own country and leave it at that with a smaller amount of export in both chilled and alive.

It does seem rather silly. Could it be that Australia is the most cruel country on earth. Could it be that our Governments have been brought by the industry to allow this to contiune.
Australia CANT HANDLE large heards without mass cruelty because we cant supply the water. Or because in some ares of floods.

My God we are simply a country with a track record of awful Governments who couldnt care less about mass unnessary cruelty through lack of care.

You know when you look it that that way I am awfully ashamed on my country and its Government.
Then of course they sit back and are happy for people to put the blame on farmers instead of helping them into other industries.

SHAME ON THE AUSTRALIAN GOVERNMENT -

Hi all

Yabby, had you not over-bred "thousands" of lambs, you would not have "had to" blow their brains out, and it was certainly not a win for them or their mothers. Australia is a tragic country for permitting this treatment of its animals. If you cannot provide for them you should not be allowed to breed them; if you have to blow their brains out in numbers of thousands, you are clearly incompetent at what you are doing. Really, farmers who do these things should be charged and banned from having animals for life. The fact that you expect "support" from the wider Australian public for what you do is quite laughable really.

PALE, I'm sure Dickie, and even possibly Yabby, would be interested in the answers to my questions. I have been waiting for weeks now. What have you got to hide?

Nicky

Sheesh Nicky, you are so ignorant about farming, it is quite ridiculous!

Fact is that rainfall changes, seasons change. We work on the
balance of probabilities. What is perfectly logical and rational
over many years, can suddenly change when weather systems move.
We are not yet good enough to predict them in advance. That may yet
come, but it is not the case yet.

What on earth is your problem with humanely destroying livestock?
Clearly its not animal welfare that is your problem, but something
else. For there is no animal welfare issue, in fact the contrary.

Of course those mothers benefitted! Their condition picked up,
they were not dragged down, trying to produce all that milk.
Their only issue was focussing on themselves, they thrived.
Mommies do get over losing kids you know. Every year at weaning,
its much the same.

If more farmers adapted to our kind of strategy, you would not
see that soil blowing, or those orphan lambs starving, or
farmers going broke trying to feed them all.

Once you are dead Nicky, you won't know you are dead. Why are you
so terrified of accepting reality?

Life and death are just part of nature's cycle, why do you have
such a hard part accepting that? You really do wear your heart
on your sleeve.

*Approximately 20 years ago a wealthy businessman bought a former* *abattoir in W.A. His intention was to turn it into a small abattoir, processing plant and cannery for Halal mutton and beef, predominantly mutton. After approaching the then State Government, which gave verbal approval he then approached the Malaysian and Singaporean governments. Representatives from both governments looked at the plan and gave their approval and commitment. This abattoir and cannery would have sold most of it’s product into Malaysia and the rest into Singapore. It would have employed approximately 45 people full time and would have helped local farmers who were then battling high interest rates from the Hawke/Keating era.

This businessman applied for the approval through the local shire, but due to some petty jealousy’s amongst some of the councillors the planning approval was knocked back. An appeal to the Minister for Local Government didn’t get passed as the Minister didn’t want to overturn the Shire Council’s decision.

This would have probably been the first Halal abattoir in W.A. if it had gone ahead. This businessman saw the long term need to value add to stock. This is fact and not hearsay as I knew this businessman very well.

As a former farmer I am not against the live export trade but I am against cruelty to animals. A government will not stop the live export trade because of its value to the economy. Unless alternatives are found, the live export trade will continue. That I can assure you.
Posted by myopinion, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 10:38:08 PM

This comment by myopinion tells it like it is.

Nobody in their right minds can be so stupid not to see that the Government have no intention of stopping it.

Could They?

Its got to be a political joke right?

Twenty years to have no alternatives and no plans. Twenty7 years of saying Ban Live Export BUT lets stop anybody from reopening abattoirs as well.

Yeh Sure-

The only thing I could never work out is are they ````really? ``` that stupid.