Yabby, perhaps your animals would prefer, given the opportunity, to live a normal, NATURAL lifespan, and if you managed your breeding (hardly rocket science) to what you can feed/care for, THEN your animals' lives would be of natural expectancy. But of course it's about money for you people, isn't it? Please spare us any more of that claptrap as well.

And for the record, neither of my dogs has ever worn a harness. They only wear a collar and leash when they visit the vet. They also run, as much as they want to. What do you describe as gourmet food, BTW? I wouldn't describe bones, chicken necks, and a small amount of vegetables and rice as precisely "gourmet".

Nicky

"I really don't think that my animals give a stuff as to eats them
after death, for I certainly don't care what happens to me after
death. If we risk living, we risk dying."

I would agree with you Yabby about not giving "a stuff" about what happens after death.

However, Mother Nature instilled in all living species, a strong survival instinct. Non-humans' instincts for survival are particularly strong.

Your post indicates that you do indeed care what happens to you whilst you are alive. After all you wouldn't want us to lock you in a crush and whip out your prostate would you but to animals you gleefully deny them a life which is pain-free.

You incarcerate your animals to inflict incredible pain whilst they are conscious. Their natural instinct to flee from pain is denied by your sadistic and boastful practices.

You have a bloated ego which is usually attributed to little men who lack normal physical and mental attributes - unable to make out with men or women. Poor pathetic cretin that you are!

#PALE, MUST we go through your endless slaughterhouse promotion exercises yet again?#

*Yes we must.*

*Isn’t that what you all say you are fighting for?*

Isn’t that what’s on your many web sites that you repeat like parrots.

#Some of us (please take this in once and for all) are absolutely not interested in actively promoting slaughterhouses, nor do we believe that it is up to the wider community to find solutions for farmers#

Of course you lot are not interested to help divert live to chilled.
That my whole point. *Thankyou*

Some of us? Don’t you mean everybody.

As your hero’s claim on their web sites( Such as PETA ) To divert live to chilled it does seem a tad hypocritical to me to put so much energy into stopping us from getting any assistance from other animal lovers in Australia and beyond to reopen plants

Now I don’t give a continental what you do or don’t do unless you try to defame a others who also put in their own time to help animals and then I have got to ask myself why.
You see Nicky I do not believe you are operating independently. I never have.

Your buddy Dr Wirthless as you girls like to call him has mentioned that serval times that the number one problem in Animal Welfare is inta fighting between groups.

Unlike you Nicky I think for myself and I am suspicious by nature. Has it ever dawned on you that what we did could have been done 20 years ago? Or even in the last six years as both Hugh Wirth and your friends were invited?

If we could approach Muslim Leaders both here and overseas to work direct to phase out live exports and reopen plants why couldn’t Andrew or your mates have done likewise. After all they had twenty years on us.
It would seem the obvious thing to do really wouldn’t it.
Heather informed me last I was speaking to her that this Government is very serious about banning live exports.
What does that tell you.
Think about it.

*perhaps your animals would prefer, given the opportunity, to live a normal, NATURAL lifespan*

Perhaps my animals would prefer to live naturally, its up to them.
Sex, motherhood, are all part of natural instincts that you want to
deny them, to live a bit longer. As it suits you, you want to enforce
it on them too. Perhaps they don't agree with you.

Remember your little code, which you claim should be observed.
My animals live as naturally as possible. Your's clearly don't.

*What do you describe as gourmet food, BTW? *

Those were your words Nicky, so you tell us what you call
gourmet food.

Yabby, it's really rather sad that you cannot get it into your head that we find your unnatural ways of raising animals abhorrent. Mulesing, castration, spaying (flank and Wills technique), hot iron branding - the list is endless, and all with no anaesthesia or analgesia. And there is the transport, saleyards, and feedlots. No comment to make about shearing sheep in the middle of winter? Why am I not surprised?

Then you have talked about flogging off your "lambs" to go to the Middle East - how old were these little creatures? How long might they have lived, given the opportunity?

PALE, it hardly seems worth the effort of trying to get it through to you that non-co-operation from what would appear to be the entire animal welfare community has little to do with your intentions and everything to do with your attitude. You clearly feel quite free to defame anyone and everyone in the movement and scream "lawyers" (who remain conspicuous by their silence) when anyone questions you.

Amongst your (many) problems is your apparent direct relationship with slaughterhouses, which strongly suggests money changing hands (i.e profits) over the slaughter of animals. Please try to take this in. By your relentless self-promotion (and quite frankly, you do it very badly), you alienate everyone who might at one time have had sympathy with your cause. You cannot bully people into agreeing with you or supporting you.

Finally, I really couldn't care less about whom you believe I am affiliated with, and not too many animal advocates could care less about what Wirthless thinks of them, either. As for the government "being serious" about ending live exports. you must have missed the recent story of Tony Burke's trip to Indonesia to promote the live cattle trade.

Nicky

*how old were these little creatures? *

Those "little" creatures weighed up to 65 kg of muscle when they
went, strong enough to knock you arse over tit and give you a drench
in the race, if they had a chance. What a sight that would be :)

*we find your unnatural ways of raising animals abhorrent*

Oh I know that. What we have here on OLO, is a couple of motherly
types, with no experience with livestock, trying to tell a
whole industry what to do. They think that they know more then
all the vets, experts etc. No wonder that the rest of the industry
basically ignores you and does not even bother to debate with
you. I personally do it for amusement, as you two ducks show
yourself up as being so ignorant.

If you are a kid in the country and lose a chunk of skin, which
is rather common, most fathers will tell you to get over it.
Yup, a few fusspot mothers drive kids nuts and insist on gawd
knows what treatments.

We are not a bunch of pansies or wooses. You are trying to apply
your weird worldview on the rest of us. What a joke.