Dickie as I said you cant get Australian cattle to stand there with a rope around there necks they are too big and strong! The Egyptian cattle do that because in all likely hood they share the house with the people and have had humans with in metres of them every day of their life. Unlike Australian cattle which run wild in comparison.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/National/Australia-suspends-Egypt-cattle-exports/2006/02/27/1140888767141.html

Dickie do yourself a favour and give up and stop making a fool of yourself. Its obvious you don’t know what you are talking about and with all the gibberish you have posted you have only shown you know nothing about the subject.

EasyTimes

You state:

"Dickie as I said you cant (sic) get Australian cattle to stand there with a rope around there (sic) necks they are too big and strong!"

Well we all know that when Australian cowpokes hack cattle's ovaries off (without painkillers), you first lock them in a steel vice.

So just respond to my previous statement:

"Therefore, it appears that you are not supporting the torture of Egyptian animals but you, an Australian cattleman, endorse the abominable torture of Australian cattle."

Would that be a "Yes" or a "No" Cowboy?

Dickie - "hack cattle's ovaries off (without painkillers)" I cant say I know what you are talking about. I dont know of any reason as to why anybody would hack of a cows ovaries. Could you explain the reasoning behind it.

"I dont know of any reason as to why anybody would hack of a cows ovaries. Could you explain the reasoning behind it."

EasyTimes

The only reasonable response to your question is nausea.

And could you explain the reason behind your reluctance to answer my question?

Why am I not surprised that a cattleman is feigning ignorance on a practice within his own industry?

Nevertheless, below are documents on the spaying of cattle. It appears that the flank spaying is now losing favour and is being replaced by the Willis Drop method.

This method, you see, is better to maintain profits since it does not spoil the animal's hides:

1. Incarcerate cow in steel crush
2. Shove hand up cow's rear end, together with large shears
3. Fumble around for ovaries and "snip"
4. Drop ovaries in cow's internal cavity and send cow packing.

A trial run saw great success. "Skilled" operator managed to hack off 30 pairs of ovaries in one hour but by then, the operator was fatigued and the remaining cattle displayed "poor" temperament.

Cursor to Page 110 of the following:

http://www.nt.gov.au/dpifm/Content/File/p/Pasture/DPIFM_CattleBook.pdf

And:

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/SLS/RIS_EN/2002/02SL234R.pdf

Hi all
EasyTimes, I cannot see where I stated that they were Australian cattle, so I'd suggest that it is you who should apologize, but let it pass. I would make a couple of points, however. My understanding is that they were breeds only exported from Australia (Charolais/Murray Grey/ and/or cross Brahman) and the only reason that it was not further clarified at the time was because it was not able to be conclusively (i.e. 100%) that it was so (dare one suggest missing NLIS tags?). Claiming that they "may not have been" Australian animals was one of the world's greatest cop-outs.

But the film of the Uruguayan bull in Jordan was something else too, wasn't it? Slammed so hard over the head with a metal bar that he was brought to his knees trembling. And that was before they hacked him to death. Then there's the bull in Egypt, thrown from a truck with his front legs hobbled, then his rear leg tendons were slashed, along with his tail, before he was butchered in the gutter. While ANY animal, regardless of nationality, can be made to suffer like this, they should not be sent. It is as simple as that.

Furthermore, what Dickie says is 100% correct; why is it okay for these people to savage their own, or indeed any animals? It has been made absolutely clear that they have no intention of complying with any agreements they sign, either with Australia or OIE treaties to which they have been signatories for years. And you found the OIE standards to be limited because they are - basic, and substantially below Australian standards.

Like Dickie, I cannot begin to imagine how you people are allowed to treat cattle (or other "farmed" animals) as you do. I think that's called thie Willis technique, is it not? There are other equally charming practices, which I'll detail if you wish.

Cheers
Nicky

Hi again all
Easytimes, there really isn't much scope for cattle in Egypt to be standing around with ropes around there (sic) necks, usually they are blinded with knives and crippled and on the ground with slashed leg tendons.

Tell me, are you completely satisfied that cattle you send to Egypt will not be similarly butchered?

I suggest you re-read the SMH article you posted, and revisit the film footage.

Dickie, that's a great idea about a Live-Export-Evil walk! Perhaps we should make a move in every state for that!

Cheers
Nicky