Attention Graham Young
You are aware pale is a member that works in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.

Also that we work with Australian Federatation of Islamic Council and Councils( there are thirty two of them in all btw)

Your personally as well aware there are serval lawyers both as members and in fact the President.

You know Antje and Taryn and I dare say you have glanced at our schools and farm stays .

Its just as clear this person posting as Nicky is not following "your own forum rules"

Its clear to all shes on a mission from the libbers and veggie groups against pale and RSPCA QLD.

What we do not understand is why you have allowed your forum to be used in personal attacks instead of debating the issue.

The next comment isnt so bad UNLESS Graham you combine it with the fact your 'whole forum' has been used by her as a anti RSPCA QLD and Pale attack.

If you read this next comment you can see it CLEARLY untrue which you well know-

Nicky said

"The problem I have with PALE is that it clearly is just one person,"
Ok Graham See if you are brighter than Nicky Ah. Now Count the pictures. Maybe between you both you can mamange that ?

who cannot provide any sound or verifiable information about what it actually does (except promoting its slaughter venture) and it expects us to believe that it is an animal welfare "group". Furthermore, it claims not to raise funds, but has a Paypal "donate now" link on its websites.

So Graham we have complained that your forum has been used breaking your 'own forum rules. I do not think our members or RSPCA QLD should put up with this for two yerars.L

Lies after lies post after post either.

Perhaps these forums must be brought to the Governments attention as well.
Pity because I would hate to see more freedom of speech taken from the public.
But Still one irresponsible forum owner could do it

Hi all

Yabby, there seems little point repeating the obvious yet again. But if all the hard work "isn't worth it", I guess you'll all have to find something else to do eventually. And luckily the grass isn't growing all that well, is it?

PALE, you should not need anyone to qualify the difference between animal liberation and animal welfare. PETA is not in the business of funding slaughterhouses, nor would any other animal advocacy organization worthy of the name do so.

As for what they do with their millions, I have been trying to find out for weeks what PALE does with the money it receives from its Paypal "donate now" link. I'm advised by the Queensland Department of Fair Trading that "People Against Live Exports Incorporated" (registered number IA33188) "does not appear to be registered for charitable purposes". Perhaps that's the key to your refusal to answer.

The Department's website further states:

"Unfortunately, there are also some unscrupulous people out there who try to take your cash by posing as charity collectors".

Curiouser and curiouser ...

Nicky

*But if all the hard work "isn't worth it", I guess you'll all have to find something else to do eventually. And luckily the grass isn't growing all that well, is it?*

Well its growing pretty well here, where I am. WA is a huge place,
but then you don't know a thing about it. This area has never ever
had a crop failure. Dry years perhaps, but no failures.

Why on earth should people walk away from a lifetimes work? If
the model is wrong, so change it. Farmers are incredibly innovative.

The thing is, as costs rise, the most profitable thing to do is the
no cost option, let nature do it all. You produce less, but it costs
nothing. The benefits are huge. For one no more hard work and
a slack lifestyle, like you people lead anyhow, at our expense.

Far too many farmers have gone broke, trying to feed livestock
through droughts. Best to quit the surplus early and go fishing
or something. In 2006 we had a dry year, so the best thing that
a number of us did, was get the gun out and shoot a few thousand
lambs. The mommies were a bit sad for a day or two, but it preserved
the land, it preserved them and it preserved our bank balances, so a
win-win all round.

The live trade was also a huge benefit, as alot of farmers could
sell surplus stock to them, at a fair price, unlike the local
meatworks, who screwed farmers into the ground and took advantage.
When meatworks have a captive market, they show no mercy, that is
why the live trade needs to stay.

Nicky, if I left this place with not a single animal on it, in a
few years they would come from somewhere, multiply and in the end,
overpopulate and die of starvation. That is nature for you, something
that you refuse to accept.

Deny nature at your peril.

PALE, I absolutely agree with you. These fora SHOULD be brought to the Government's attention (in particular the Queensland Department of Fair Trading). Nor have I told lies about you (quite the reverse, in fact, you do that about me and others all the time and expect to be able to do it with impunity).

Anyone can look pictures on an aging website and assume things that may no longer be there (if they ever were).

I have merely asked you a series of questions about your activities and operations. It appears that now PALE also has some sort of interest in "farm stays" and "schools". Are we to assume that PALE also derives funds from these operations as well as its Paypal link and any slaughterhouses it may operate? And PALE does not raise funds? Come on. And you claim that I and others lie.

Nor have I expressed any issues with RSPCA Queensland or AFIC. I have simply stated that I do not want to work with them (or PALE). For that, I have been besieged with tirades of incoherent, barely comprehensible abuse and threats (as have others). I have looked through some of the older threads lately, and found that you treat almost everyone in much the same way, I cannot believe that Graham has not banned you permanently, unless he thinks you have a certain sad entertainment value.

I have taken issue with just one of your posts with Graham. You, because you are asked to substantiate your claims, are now running to him looking for protection. You are a poor, sad individual.

Yabby - it is your manipulation of nature to which I object - in particular, taking out a few thousand lambs and blowing them away. And you expect as to have sympathy for FARMERS? Not in this lifetime, given the violence you assure us you continually perpetrate against your animals in varying degrees.

Nicky

What manipulation of nature, Nicky? The fact that we shot those lambs, rather
then let them and their mothers starve and the land blow away?

This is where you lose the ability to think rationally. We did the humane and
sensible thing for those animals. We saved a lot of animals a lot of suffering.

Somehow in your psyche there is a screw loose. Perhaps you are absolutatly
terrified of death. Farming teaches you something. Both birth and death
are part of the cycle of life. Some live longer, some don’t. That is the reality
of nature. If you haven’t come to terms with the reality of nature, birth and death,
then that is your personal problem.

Given that nature can be so cruel and we did the humane and sensible thing,
You should acknowledge that, but you don’t. Quite irrational.

Combine empathy with being terrified of death and you want to deny reality.

"so the best thing that a number of us did, was get the gun out and shoot a few thousand lambs. The mommies were a bit sad for a day or two, but it preserved the land, it preserved them and it preserved our bank balances, so a win-win all round."

Hey Nicky. "preserved the land" it says? "A win-win all round" it declares. Is this a psycho or what? 'im indoors, aka Creepius Pervertus, deliberately grows a "few thousand lambs" trashing the soil, wasting our precious water resources, elevating GHGs and ripping off the public purse to take these critters out with a shotgun.

Of course they wouldn't include the defenceless little ones he sends off to the land of the barbarians - ooh no way Jose!

So we have a sheep molesting Nazi psycho running amok in the killing fields of WA.

No wonder those gorgeous chicks pinched his comb-over and gopher. Smart girls - "yeah you go girls - go!"

What a creep eh?