Dickie, your propaganda is similar to that of your old employer,
the Catholic Church, as they preach their philosophy about the
evils of abortion.

http://www.priestsforlife.org/resources/monica/mm4.htm

I remind you that it is animal liberation groups who employ
"cause related marketing specialists" to tear at the true
believers heart strings. Now either you are a sucker, very
gullible, or stupid, or all three.

I have seen no objective study on slaughter methods in the
ME, just some cause related propaganda, by people who object
to humans eating meat.

You could film all sorts of cruelty in Australia, if you
had an agenda, as these groups do.

If you object to slaughter methods in the ME, you are free
to approach the Australian Govt, to see if they will contribute
to improving them, using a tiny fraction of the billions of $
that we Australians provide in development aid.

Sending Australian farmers broke is not going to change a thing
in the ME. But then sending Australian farmers broke is clearly
on your agenda too, as both you nutters have made plain in the
past. Sorry, think again

Hello Nicky, It is me again Antje.

I thought if I do not interfere for a while all forum readers could see what a (….)person you really are.- you have not disappointed me.

I only hope you can substantiate what you put out there- because I fail to see that information.
You try to drag in other people what ever their profession might be, who dearly care about animals and your obsession is to defame PALE for its work with Muslims leaders of Australia and to re-open abattoirs to stop the suffering of animals.
You went so far to write to every man and his dog to get what ever information about our Organisation. Please do let me know what you find out will you?
The People who run an International Language School are simply good people supporting a fair go for animals. They are supporting the reopening of abattoirs to save animals going live on ships like everybody else on that site including Mark Townend of RSPCA QLD. We choose to work with RSPCAQLD because they are the authorised body for animal welfare in this country.
That does not mean you cant work with animal liberation. I wish you well. Its just that we don’t want the connection.

What is it that you do not understand about PALE?
Pale publicised from day one what it was about.
How it operated, with whom and who was invited to the meetings with Gov reps of Malaysia etc. – but then again it wasn’t your idea was it.
Pales concept is great and it will be put in place at some stage without all the other so called big animal welfare organisations. It`s a matter of time.
Taryn is as real as you and she doesn’t need to use a phoney name.

You would think the so called Animal Welfare groups would support at least the killing of the animals in our own country - but oh no.
So what are they actually doing for the past twenty odd years, If I may ask?

To be continued

continued

I know - turn a blind eye to the cruelty to the suffering animals and don`t eat meat. Ok.

But it does not help the millions of still suffering animals does it?
What are they actually doing about the cruelty to these poor animals? What is their real agenda?

One thing became is crystal clear which was PALE was attacked by animal liberation.
For the record PALE never defamed or attacked any other Organisation or person but has told the naked truth about their behaviour towards us.
You are the sole person defaming and attacking pale and their associates for what reasons? I can assure you its not helping Animals or for that matter AA AL etc

Over the past few years we have been in contact with many Ministers advisors and other leaders of Organisations who stated to us that it would not be in our best interest to be associated with the other animal groups.
We had been advised to keep our own Identity that separates us from some of the others.
Thats what Pale has been doing.
PALE is telling everybody how the Welfare System works and you clearly do not like to read what is posted.
There is no need for you to fall out of the sky and be vicious, malicious and make personal attacks on Members of PALE.
What did you do yesterday to prevent the cruelty to our livestock except for not eating meat?
What about today?

Tell me your Solution to the animal live exports so we can divert our precious time back to helping them?
I await your constructive reply.

Antje

I find it fascinating that PALE and its alter-egos continue/s to malign and impugn every other animal advocacy organization for not choosing to be involved with its slaughterhouse enterprise, expecting total impunity, yet when anyone asks questions of PALE, it is "defamation". All in the same formatting style too.

"Macropod Whisperer" (speaking of "phoney" names), I only contacted one organization (so far), as it happens, and that was because PALE would not answer the very simple, direct and reasonable questions I asked. If PALE has nothing to hide and is as "proud" of its activities as it claims, it should not have been a problem answering them as others do. Instead, I continued to receive tirades of barely coherent abuse and threats.

I have provided the information the Queensland Department of Fair Trading gave me; that PALE is not registered for the purposes of collecting funds as a charity. That is a matter of fact (therefore does not even approach any test for "defamation").

PALE claims that everyone who chooses not to eat meat is "not helping the animals" - can you not see how totally ridiculous that claim is? PALE claims to have the solution to end live exports, but provides no evidence that it has had any impact at all.

PALE says it has contacted all the animal advocacy groups over the years trying to get them involved (in slaughterhouse operations) then says that it chose/was advised not to have those connections. Please at least get your "ducks in a row" before you make worse idiots of yourself/ves with your contradictions.

What did I do today? I prepared a prosecution brief for the local police over several dozen starving sheep at a saleyard, and developed an information flyer for the Police Academy to provide them with relevant information on the distinction between POCTAA legislation and the Code/s of Practice for saleyards and for land transport (after working a 9 hour day). What did you do? Sit around trying to work out how to get even with the wicked Nicky and what name to use?

Nicky

My name is Antje Struthmann I am not going to be bothered to argue with a person who clearly has a problem. My name is known world wide and was well know before I moved to QLD to work with PALE.

If you were so informed you would know who I am. Please also remember you were invited to contact me by phone a long time ago when you first starting spreading your lies.

I came from Germany so there is no way anybody could mistake me.
Also the codes are not enforceable. Your helping the police out is a huge embarrassment for all of us.
Now just for the record PALE contacted QLD Department of Fair Trading to obtain a copy of your enquiry/ complaint and discuss this alligation with them.
They said that they have nothing what so ever on record of a complaint/enquiry. . They said that even if you had of called they would have told you any NFP can take a donation but can not give a tax deduction.
As PALE is funded by RSPCA QLD and ALL the details are presented each year I think its you who need to be worried about legal action. $65.00 BTW is what has been taken from the public in six years!( I told you it was disabled) I also I told you I sold my property to do this and I know the founder actually borrowed on one of hers to keep things going. Mostly however as I said it’s RSPCA QLD who fund most. Muslim leaders of course assist regarding office costs under our MOU. So there you go!

So don’t you look stupid now. Wow a whole $65.00. Even Fair Trading laughed however we sent your posts up to them anyway to keep on record. Actually our accountant has had to write explain why there are so few funds raised year after year.
Do you know what the person from fair trading said Nicky? “For goodness sake why don’t you sue.

contiuned

@PALE claims that everyone who chooses not to eat meat is "not helping the animals" @
No Nicky that is not what I said. We have many veggie members too for goodness sake. What I said was that we had to have a better plan to help reopen abattoirs to phase out live exports other than just telling people not to eat meat. We have to get animal lovers actually involved in the industry to reopen abattoirs to stop live exports. That is what I said.
Now our veggie members work in shoulder to shoulder everyday with other members and don’t have a problem with that. It seems you don’t really agree with what’s on most web sites after all= It says Ban Live Exports and replace with chilled. We are trying to make that happen. So what’s your problem?

-@ PALE says it has contacted all the animal advocacy groups over the years trying to@
Yes many years ago we did ask AA AL to meet with Muslim Leaders and farmers that is rue. They declined and they black listed our organisation saying we were involved in abattoirs.
Rather sad really. However of course they are free to do as they wish. I note however many have written and contacted Muslim Leaders knowing of our MOU with them for Animal Welfare.
So really I personally feel that their only problem is utter jealousy because such a young group did what they should have done years ago. It was wonderful pale was able to arrange a media release from Muslim Leaders to support Lyn White.

What did I do?

Obtained several statements regarding poultry being lowered ALIVE into fires to burn their feathers off! And THEN lowered into hot water STILL ALIVE! Before having their throats cut. Then contacted 60 minutes etc. Tried to contact Animal Liberation but they had the DPI phone number up to report abuse!? Whos kidding Who! Oh BTW this is Halal So Don’t say we are not even handed!