To anybody interested. This is Not information Nicky or Dickie would know about or be involved in.

Its just general info about whats happening in Animal Welfare.

pale stands alone in its work to reopen abattoirs in Australia to faze out live animal exports.
We are disliked because of this work. We looked at the 20 year history and wanted to help RSPCA and Animals Australia.

We wanted to establish a way in which animal welfare could be improved and each branch of RSPCA and also Animals Australia could be given large donations to support their work.

What we were not expecting TBO was the agressive behavouir towards people with such good intentions only wishng to help animals and these organisations.

Ingred of PETA and Glenyse Of Animals Australia have been very rude IMO. We are well and truely sick of nasty types. This anti pale is run from the top. What we want to know is WHY.

WSPA Voiceless Animals Australia ALL wrote to pale telling them they didnt qualify to be members of each of their organisations and claiming our involvement in reopening abattoiirs as the reason.


They had twenty years before us to do something. We started it as the new kids on the block. Just like we first started working with RSPCA QLD.


These people are so nasty. We just dont understand it. Nasty emails and phone calls to members. Kids being told they cant attend a rally after cutting out their little signs and mum making their costumes.

You might ask WHY these kids were made so unwelcome and their parents. "
Because they were members of pale of course- the animal killers etc.

What a horrible lot the animal welfare people are.
So we intend to change things.

Now others want the credit for our working with Muslim, Leaders.
Bugger what they stuff up on the way. Discusting especially as they know bugger all about plants and stock.

Your behavouir is discusting and holding back important work to help animals.
That is ALL we are interested in- not your nasty clicky gatherings

To anyone still out there...

How could I have missed this little gem?

PALE wants to "help" the RSPCA and Animals Australia. Their method of doing so is to totally discredit both organizations. God help anyone that PALE wants to help.

These organizations are "aggressive". You be the judge of who is "aggressive" on every thread to which PALE has "contributed". They then want to know why Ingrid Newkirk and Glenys Oogjes want nothing to do with them (for God's sake!). It has nothing to do with the egos of those people ad everything to do with PALE's bullying, undermining tactics and total lack of professional standards.

PALE has made absolutely NO contribution to animal welfare in this country. Its entire "raison d'etre" appears to be to discredit all the people and organizations who have. Shame on you. PALE, you cannot expect to get away with all the rubbish you have posted about other people without some form of retaliation. And we still don't know where the money has gone/is going. Bring on the "lawyers"!

Nicky

Pale. I'm afraid Nicky is correct. You continue to maintain the unreasonable assumption that animal welfare and slaughterhouses are under the same tent when it is obvious to the most voracious carnivore that the abattoir industry, in any nation, is the most violent and brutal of all.

It is of concern that you continue to display an unhealthy zeal to be part of that industry.

"Because they were members of pale of course- the animal killers etc."

You need a serious reality check Pale for that IS your agenda, to kill animals.

"What a horrible lot the animal welfare people are.
So we intend to change things."

To date Pale, your endeavours to "change things" have been totally futile, therefore, please desist from masking your true agenda under the guise of animal welfare whilst discrediting all those "horrible" organisations, which have made a difference to the welfare of animals and which do not share your passion to shed the blood of animals.

Your hypocrisy has seen you self-destruct Pale and your petulance has left you with opponents only.

Unfortunately you remain defiant and belligerent but nobody's listening. To whom now will you turn?

Hi Dickie

I would like to say how much we appreciate your to the point comment. It certainly points out that yourself and Nicky and your friends oppose re opening of slaughter houses in Australia to phase out live animal Exports.

We do understand the huge opposition to our program. If I had my way nobody would ever kill an animal. However that is a rather selfish position to take TBO.

You are of course incorrect to say we have made no difference. We are pleased to say we have been able to divert large orders of live animals to chilled. Also to have assisted buyers of live animals in the past into plants in Australia. There are many other things which are why you were all invited to meet us. We don’t and won’t post all our programs on OLO because many come under privy biz of others. Just for the record we are also looking at the WA case.

After saying that if your people refuse to discuss it with our QC it does make it difficult to help the animals TBO.

Anybody really serious about wanting further information is welcome to meet with pale and their lawyers to sign a non disclosure.


The hypocrisy Dickie is yours and your friend’s inability to face facts for the sake of the animals. That’s really sad. To Ban Live Exports means we 'must' come up with alternatives.

Let me ask you a question Dickie- Do you really think you can stop the world eating meat? I wish, we wish BUT it’s never going to happen.
The fact that you have pointed the others position regarding pale is however a good thing. To answer your question=
To whom now will you turn?
To the public and the Media, Government and anybody who will listen.

To really love animals you must be prepaired to STOP live exports anyway you can.
At least making their suffering a lot shorter. Shame On those who oppose that!

Hi Dickie - thanks for that.

PALE, it would be interesting to see just a fraction of proof of your claims. As I have said before, the government and the exporters hide behind "privacy" provisions, so where does that place PALE?

Still my questions remain unanswered. Where has the money from the Paypal "donate now" link gone? Is PALE legally constituted to raise funds in such a manner? Also, I was not surprised to receive no response from RSPCA Queensland about the submission into the "Animal Welfare" proposed standards. Can it be that they have nothing more to do with PALE?

Dickie is absolutely right - PALE is simply in the business of wanting to slaughter animals for profit through its HKM arm, and trying to hide that under a facade of claiming to do it to end live exports. Everyone knows that and Dickie is correct, you have abused and maligned too many worthwhile people and organizations (who DO make real contributions to animal welfare, contrary to PALE) to ever claim any support in the future from anyone. The government, the public and the media? Get over yourself. PALE has no credibility left with anyone.

As for "non-disclosure agreements", don't make me laugh. There would be nothing worth disclosing, and I have told you - your "QC" (if he exists) would need to have standing to "look at the WA case" - and he hasn't and you haven't. If he claims to be a QC and doesn't know that one has to wonder. He can "look at it" as much as he likes and it will still go nowhere. He should know that too if he's any good.

Nicky

Ah, but where you girls have your philosophy all screwed up, is
that if you refuse to support slaughtering animals in Australia,
then what you are all about is not animal welfare, but animal
liberation, which is very different indeed as a philosophy!

In other words, you still will not accept the fact that if
animals are left to nature, they will suffer far more and
crueler deaths, then if looked after by most farmers,
especially in an Australian free range situation.

In fact we've just seen what happens, when a farmer gives up
on his livestock and doesent look after them, in Grass Patch.

Left to nature, its been a disaster, animals dying everywhere,
the RSPCA moved in and had to shoot alot of animals. All terribly
sad.

Perhaps the huge effort and expense that most farmers invest,
to make sure that their animals are fed and watered, not overpopulated
and have happy lives, is highly undervalued by those who don't
understand as to how much is involved.

If an animal is shot in a meatworks, why is that cruel?
If it had a happy life, didn't suffer, didn't starve or die of
thirst, if it thrived during most of its life, its probably
had things much easier then most animals in nature.

Fact is, there is only so much room on the planet for so many.
That is the reality. None of you have ever come up with a
solution to the realities of nature.

Ok so be honest girls, you are not about animal welfare, you
are about animal liberation, which is a very different concept.