Dickie
Don’t worry too much about the Anti Islamic Beef up overseas. Pls allow me to tell you why. Because when push comes to shove these are very clever biz people who can see the writing on the wall.

Our naive useless short sighted self serving gutless Government in Australia has always taken the easy road along with the political donations and jumps at the slightest wish of overseas.

I have also told you it is the Muslims themselves that will change things eventually... It’s a matter of record according to Ikebal that AFIC leaders REJECT the cruelty of live exports and intend to lobby AGAINST it.

It is also true that Hugh Wirths Handle with Care IMOP has caused enormous problems and possibly put these movements at risk.

I am just wondering what type of snake in the grass would behave in such a manner, or should I say ‘snakes’. Gee I wonder if Hughs Government pay check has something to do with it. They are so friendly with Elders and other low life live shipping agents it makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up.

He may be the President of WSPA but he’s also still the President of Victoria RSPCA. It was Bidder Jones of RSPCA who put in writing- Dear pale thanks very much for your last invitation to meet with AFIC leaders to work under your Animal Welfare MOU.

However we reject that invitation because the Handle with Care Colatation has decided to seek a meeting without pale.

We find that interesting. Now why wouldn’t they want the benefit of our lawyer’s years of working close with these people?

Sure they can do as they wish. "SO LONG as it can’t be proven that information was gained by a private biz proposal to a State Government."

In other words did RSPCA National act on information gained by a private biz proposal to a Government?
Ar, now there’s the real question.

third time=

Nicky said
* we* have a commonality of philosophy which is not shared by PALE*.
Pale asks
Who is *WE* Nicky
what would that be, vegetarians perhaps? Please reply by a simple YES or NO

As for the petition pale had to talk Glenyse into having one.


3.* I have absolutely no idea what volunteer you are talking about.*

Err, Nicky it was yourself who raised the person hiding from us so I think you are being dishonest.

*If someone else was responsible ....

Nicky actually the last time I checked it was unlawful to use the name of someone else’s NFP organization. Umm, I think its called fraud. - Or at very least misrepresentation.

Also it paints a picture rather clearly of events from day one of pales birth.
Rather interesting actually.
1 People attending meetings as and taking everybody’s names.

Step 2 was to contact them and tell them NOT to join pale but to join= you guess Nicky??

Step 3 an interesting person that you admitted knowing was in hiding from us.

*. If you do in fact own the petition ....

Nicky I am delighted with the pile of evidence we have tripped over.

*5. I am not particularly interested in the "blacklisting" issue - it is simply that you keep raising it as part of your efforts to discredit Animals Australia

Now now Nicky, don’t go saying things that could land you in court you silly girl
I only asked you who WE was- I guess I got my answer after all. Tar

6.* That rather shoots down any claims that you do not raise funds. The question is, what do you do with them?
Nicky I told you ZERO we pay ourselves and DON’T fund raise.

*7. I have no idea what the German connection ....

Ar, actually Nicky I could print here what Christa said to about your best buddy.

PS Thanks for showing the public "how WE WORK "Nicky AGAINST people helping animals at their own cost.

Hi all

PALE, you are indeed a lost cause. I had no idea you had a VOLUNTEER who (also) went into hiding from you - you happened to throw that in. How many of these poor sods are there? As for the "we", do get over your paranoia. Go back on your medication or something. If you think you have a case for fraud against one or all of these people, get your "team of lawyers" - and your QC, of course - onto it. Incidentally, why would you think that the Handle with Care coalition would have any use for PALE's lawyers? It's just PALE not wanting to be left out of the action, of course.

You do not provide any enlightenment about when this Ikebal contributed the pearl of wisdom that AFIC is going to speak out about live exports, was it before or after you hung up the phone on him? Was it within the last two years?

I can just imagine Glenys Ooojges needing PALE's advice on petitions and other political matters too.

Which jurisdiction are you planning to take me to court in, you imbecile? I can't wait to see the substance of the grounds. There are pages and pages of evidence on these threads of you trying to discredit almost every other animal advocacy organization in Australia and some overseas ones as well.

Do go ahead and post what "Christa said about my best buddy"; I can't wait to see that either. But you won't, of course.

Dickie, you will notice that I am totally ignoring the usual ignorant abuse from myopinion; it is simply not worth a response.

Nicky

+Dickie, you will notice …
Nicky people respond in the way they are approached. Myopinion seems no different.

+. I had no idea you had a VOLUNTEER who (also)* went into hiding from you - you happened to throw that in.
Nicky you raised this person. You’re being dishonest to now to pretend you don’t know what I am talking about.

I’ve always told you –You raise it- we’ll respond openly and honestly.

I remind you that it was ‘you’ (WE) that went out of your way to post on a public forum that some poor person was forced to sell their house and move so we could not find them.

“That was to infer that pale must be pretty scary awful people and to discredit us”.

It was a nasty bitchy untruthful comment.



BTW I don’t care what you can imagine re the petition for live exports- Ask Lyn.

, +why would you think that the Handle with Care coalition would have any use for +Pale’s lawyers? It's just PALE not wanting to be left out of the action, of course.

Nicky why do you (WE) make RSPCA QLD Pales business your business?
Your all so busy worrying about what pale are doing its pathetic.
However as you asked so nicely I will tell you.

Because they have years of knowledge working with these people. We made you (WE) look rather foolish.


Er,What action are you suggesting we are missing out on.
20 years later ....... ?

First you ( WE) were cross because we worked with RSPCA QLD- then hopping mad we signed an Animal Welfare MOU with Muslim Leaders.

Then because we preferred to work with farmers instead of against them

We joined OLO to post comments regarding animal welfare and about ‘our’ ideas and ‘programs’.

Followed closely by you (WE) with your hatred and nasty posts against true animal lovers?


Said I 'couldn’t' print what Christa said. WOULDNT help animals.
PALES not trying to discredit Animals Australia.

You’re ( WE) the only one doing that.

They are just as much victims of "you" that we are.

*Yabby, you typically failed to mention that 140-odd people gathered was in one suburb of one regional town. But you would, of course.*

You did not mention it either at the time. So how many people
Australia wide? Any press comments to confirm it?

*oh boy have you got a sweat up.*

I have? Sheesh, could have fooled me lol.

*You ain't seen nuthin' yet *

Well so far I ain't seen nuthin yet, but I am very patient.

*And more Karmic forces working against this industry *

Last I heard, pirates rob ships all the time in SE Asia, its
big biz, 60 Minutes did a story on it once. Now a cattle
ship is robbed, must be Karma lol. You are as batty as
Boaz, with your religion. Robertson and Falwell told us
it was all that fornication that caused the hurricanes
in Florida, they are as nuts as you are!

It seems to me that people like you and Nicky are absolutaly
paranoid about death, rather then accept it as part of the
natural cycle.

Hi all

For those curious about the ship attacked by pirates, it was the "Hereford Express". This is the re-birthed "Dealco 1", and this is what Animals Angels had to say about it when they did a couple of investigations on it:-

"The MV Dealco seemed completely unsuitable for livestock transport. The animals down on the 4th and 5th level were suffering from extensive heat and high ammoniac levels. In some places the faeces reached 4 inches high. This vessel transported on one trip 2669 cattle, and was extremely over-crowded. Even with “only” 2200 animals the vessel was overcrowded. The animals in no way had any comfort during this long voyage on the MV Dealco vessel

"Both vessels - MV Dealco and Janet 1 - should be outlawed

"Our investigators were able to photocopy some paperwork regarding these transports:

"Mortality Reports signed by the captain- usually they do not state the cause of death, but in one case broken legs were given as a reason".

"Australian Health Certificates - these were very interesting because they are signed by two veterinarians: Dr. Richard Morton and Dr. Robert Harmata. In our opinion these health certificates raise a lot of questions. Some animals did not have eartags, whereas with others the numbers can be clearly identified".

People are advised to "write to the Australian government, demanding that the "Dealco" and "Janet 1" be put on the black list and banned from transporting livestock. The voyage, which is already long and stressful for the animals, causes further suffering because of the lack of adequate space, ventilation and food and water in these two old boats. If Australia insists on continuing their live animal export business, then the least they can do is ensure that the vessels used to carry their animals are modern and designed to provide a minimum level of well-being".

The "Janet 1", believed to have been named after Janet Holmes a Court, was re-birthed as the "Jersey Express", and was last reported heading for the scrapyard. The "Dealco 1", as we see, continues to operate as the "Hereford Express".

Nicky