Gertrude, the sort of players that are required, are not about
to contact you via the internet. The Arabs are pretty sophisticated
investors, already with large holdings in Australia. The largest
of the Saud investor princes has just ordered his own personal
Airbus 380 to fly around and you don't get much done in Saudi
Arabia without the Saud princes agreeing.

It sounds like Kim Chance on his trip to the ME, had expressions
of interest shown by people wanting to invest in meat processing.
Thats what it needs. Large, sophisticated investors, who don't
blink at 40-50 million $.

Chance is the one who can make it happen. Perhaps with beef
farmers revolting recently, he's starting to realise what a
hopeless situation that the meat industry is, in his very own
State and will finally do something about it.

We'll see.

Yabby
The largest
of the Saud investor .....
pale
Yabby it "already" had his approval in 2006. He is a close friend of Amjads and Amjad informed the QLD Premiers dept of that fact way back then. Beattie was the only person really interested BTW.
Perhaps you re unaware of the dirty trick pulled over him in NT buy selling him that Dud plant and then stealing his supply of stock. I can assure you he hasnt forgotton.

There do not trust operators . There know its a conflict of interest. As I said there are many Muslims interested but only if they do it direct with the farmers.

The Prince has not forgotton the duty trick pulled off by Rural Transport Express in the NT and hes not getting caught again.
Please do not talk to me as if I have no knowledge because you would be incorrect.

Chance is only 'one of the few' people needed to be involved and that is for WA.
I am speaking out the whole of Australia and that requires as I said= Contact with farmers direct.
If you really think the Prince trusts anybody from the Government your very much mistaken.

Sure they will handle the Government - later. To sort staff.

This morning I spoke with the Now Business Consultant for Trade who is the one working with AFIC but also others that is able to move things along.
He returns in thee weeks from UK we`ll see.
The federal Government have to let staff in and there are some other things.

Tell You A little Secret
Many years ago when I for the very first time walked in alone to address forty two Muslim Leaders of this country I didnt know what to expect.
The first two questions were in this order
1 Wendy whatson earth is going on in WA with RSPCA.
2 Please can yu just tell us the truth because the Government and livexport industry just tell lie after lie
Not bad= Couldnt have put it better myself

Well Gertrude, believe whatever you will. We will have to agree
to disagree. The internet is full of people who know people
who know people, all trying to do deals. That is not how
big biz operates.

When Alwaleed invested in China, he went to see the Chinese
prez directly. Saudis have large investments through The
Carlyle group etc, which owns all sorts of Australian businesses
too. P&O Ports is owned by Dubai, so is Emirates. These people
are sophisticated investors. They don't need to be concerned
with Muslim leaders either. But believe what you will.

It is wrong to say that MLA only promote live exports. By far
the huge majority of their money is used to promote meat, all
around the world. Live exports are only a very small division.

I just think that whilst you might take yourself seriously, they
don't, and see you as yet another animal welfare group with
dreamer intentions, so try not to waste time on you. Sorry
but thats the way I read the story.

Yabby
I dont know what you are putting up as a bloody reference to your own self serving expert opinion.

Also I didnt say I could fix this on my own. However people I have worked with know the Prince and have other contacts not as names they toss around but personal friends. You think I dont know what they have where.

The cards are stacked against operating plants and you know it.

live exports has been propped up all round to support those few in the industry.

As you rekon you know the game and your in WA I would suggest you put your energy where your mouth is and get a contract from ME for Halal which isnt hard.
Then approach your darling Kim with a Aboriginal Council looking to operate a plant to supply your contract.

Under todays climate with Rudd saying sorry and lets get on with it - You should do well.
If there is one thing I hate its smart arses having a go at me when they have done F all themselves.

Having a MOU with Muslim Australian Leaders is just a step closer to being in contact with those who can make a difference.

Its true some in Saudi dont wory about AFIC just like some in the church dont get on.

However walking into the Government with RSPCA and Muslim Leaders together with MOUs with Aboriginal Councils and putting a project on the table with their support for overseas backers does.

When you have put as much effort into coming up with alternatives and geting plants reopended I will talk to you.

Up until then you to me are no different to AA or the rest of them with their bagging us - but no answers themselves and god forbid if you suggest one.

Your all hat and no cattle Yabby IMOP

Gertrude, you are free to shoot the messenger, its common practise
on OLO. Ok whatever, I really don't care.

Unlike you, I have no agenda, I am not trying to change the world on
my own, I simply state my opinions.

I accept that you are putting in huge effort, but that does not
mean success, it means huge effort, perhaps for nothing in the
end. Thats up to you. We shall see.

IMHO you won't get anywhere in WA, without the State Govt behind
you. Chance needs to change his opinions and his tune, that has
been our problem for the last 7 years. Nope, in WA things
are not stacked against operating plants at all, they hold all the
cards, they are stacked against farmers, as the figures show.

If you think that the RSPCA, muslim leaders and Aboriginal councils
are going to do it all for you, go right ahead. IMHO you will fail.
But I am happy to be proven wrong.

Unlike you, I don't see the live trade as black and white, all evil.
I acknowledge the huge strides that they have made in improving things
and being open about what they do. Just this week they had an ABC
reporter on one of their boats, documenting exactly what she
experienced. Clearly it was quite different to what you and others
are claiming.

Banning the live trade would simply create huge animal suffering,
something that the RSPCA have not even thought about. Perhaps they
should stick to their knitting and focus on pets, domestic issues
etc, rather then try to take on issues that they seem to not fully
understand, particularly the ramifications of their claims.

Market economics will eventually massively reduce the live trade,
not Govt regulations. Boats come here, as we have some the world's
cheapest and healthiest sheep. Once the local meat processing
industry actually goes beyond ripping off farmers to make a living,
it won't pay boats to come here and buy sheep. Or perhaps farmers
will have moved on, doing other things with their land. We'll see.

Gertrude, you are free to shoot …

Gertrude
Don’t temp me!

YSaid
I accept that you are putting in huge effort…

Gertrude…..
No . Actually I am not ... I did for years a ‘heap of work but not now.

The libbers have worn me out. I can’t do this without being able to introduce farmers direct. ” Please’ DON’T tell me to run adds in every paper of this country and go to all the sale yards either.

JAKIM and the Malaysian Government agreed to build a whole ward JUST to take Halal whole carcass and distribute to ME from there. Ah, Look I don’t even know why I am telling you …

Yabby said

IMHO you won't get anywhere in WA, without the State Govt behind
you……

Gertrude replies

Yabby he’s just one in many states. Surely you know why Chance has refused to help – don’t you?

We wrote to 'each Premier of States in Australia inviting them to "exercise the powers as Trade Minister and act on this project.

The bastards are too busy looking after their votes from those with vested interests. They don’t care about Animals or Aboriginals or growth in regional areas or what’s in Australians best long term interest. They only buy votes to keep their useless fat arses in a job.

You have got councils shouting their buddy’s trips to ME and other places often arranged by Elders and others. You know that. Y said
Chance needs to change his opinions and his tune, that has
been our problem for the last 7 years……

Gertrude

He will only do what’s best for him. Just like Howard Rudd. Low People. How ashamed are we the public as to how our nation treats its animals? These are not men. They are not men.
I say sack the lot of them.

YSaid
Nope, in WA things ....
Gertrude said
Yes they ARE stacked against the farmers and the farmers WERE put in this position that they were MADE dependant upon this one trade= The Live Export Trade. That’s 100% Correct