Perhaps Yabby I was mistaken by thinking you had more manners than Nicky.

I will just post part of the Governments Austrade Site which clearly shows their pushing joint ventures all right but the wrong way about.
That will be my last post .


http://www.austrade.gov.au/Agribusiness-to-Egypt/default.aspx
Egyptian landowners are particularly looking to Australians as joint venture partners but there are opportunities for direct sales as well.

Competitive environment
New Zealand and Australia are the major suppliers of butter to Egypt. However, for the first time small amounts of butter were imported recently from Ethiopia.

Poland, New Zealand and Sweden are the main suppliers of milk powder to Egypt.

Malaysia is the source for about 300,000 MT of imported stearin and the USA supplies tallow.

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Tariffs, regulations and customs
Egyptian customs regulations are complicated and rigid in areas such as duty rates and are designed to eliminate trading loopholes. Authorities don’t have to explain or justify their decisions and there’s no formal appeal process. Customs procedures are subjective when it comes to identifying which tariff category a commodity fits into.

Although tariff levels have fallen in recent times, as a result of Egypt adhering to World Trade Organization rules, the government now levies an ad valorem service fee on imported shipments in return for inspection, listing, classification and re-examination of shipments. In addition to the customs tariff, a sales tax ranging between five per cent and 25 per cent is added to the final customs value of the imported item. However, most food and agricultural (livestock, dairy) products are exempt from this tax.

Hi folks
I've been away and only just found this thread - I also have read only the first three pages so far, so my apologies if any points I make prove to be redundant.

Yabby, you continue to be nothing if not bigoted, sexist and dogmatic. "Housewife" is not synonymous with brainless, or incapacity for free thought. Ending the live export trade will not send farmers to the wall either, it might just make things a bit uncomfortable for the minority of farmers who have made cruelty their business.Therefore, "discomfort" is the very least they deserve. Have you, by any chance, read the court judgment available on Animals Australia's website? Have you read the 2006 mortality reports from the same website, which show all too clearly that your "well-regulated" industry operates outside any legal framework, since according to Constitutional Law, state animal protection legislation does not cover these animals, and there is no National animal protection legislation? Awfully convenient, isn't it? Most reports indicate that the animals are not provided with the MANDATORY number of days in feedlots, ships are overloaded, and sick and injured animals are loaded anyway. Maladjusted animals are sent at times of the year expressly prohibited. Have you read the statistics at www.liveexportshame.com which indicate that this is a dying trade? Have you seen the film footage, and if so, did it not bother you?

And there is absolutely no reason why the RSPCA should be working as a "co-operative partner" with farmers, it is there, and largely publicly funded, to protect animals, not farmers. For myself, I find it totally outrageous that my tax dollars contribute to the operations of MLA and livestock farmers (who do more to destroy the environment than the combined transport of the world) and I have no choice about that. You need to get over yourselves, and work on exit strategies, because your "international markets" will not be available to you for much longer.
Nicky

*Ending the live export trade will not send farmers
to the wall either*

Nicky, how do you know that, based on what criteria or qualifications? Do
you have the foggiest about agro economics? Do you have the foggiest
about livestock? “Housewife” does not make you qualified in these
fields. Perhaps you should turn for advice to those who are qualified
to comment, but then that might not suit your agenda.

As it is right now, roadtrain after roadtrain is heading East with sheep from
WA, as the local meat industry can’t handle them and farmers are baling out
of sheep and turning to cropping.

*the MANDATORY number of days in feedlots, ships are overloaded, and sick and injured animals
are loaded anyway.*

Reports written by whom? Unlike you I have first hand dealings with one company,
which is Wellards. I know how fussy they are when selecting animals on farm. I know fussy they are about delivery dates, to comply with the days in feedlots. I know how fussy they are about sheep with a problem, for they are rejected and its shown on grower accounts. They even let ABC reporters and others on their ships
to observe what is going on. They have Australian vets on board, all qualified.

Yet you a veggie, who despises us farmers for letting ruminants do what comes naturally, ie eat grass, thinks I should trust other veggie and vegan websites for
my information? You must be kidding !

Your agenda is clear! Ok fair enough, at least start to hire some qualified people
to pass comment, not just a bunch of dreamers who certainly don’t seem to understand agro economics or livestock, as distinct from pets.

Clearly ABARE think that the live trade is vital.

http://www.farmonline.com.au/news_daily.asp?ag_id=49043

Clearly the RSPCA should stick to its knitting and deal with the ever growing
problems of domestic pets. Now they need to put them on Prozac, to
deal with their depression.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23271189-13762,00.html

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Nicky, you could always tune in to "Desparate Housewives", to
understand what housewives are all about :)

Don't be such a patronizing prat Yabby. There's a good boy.

Love it, Ginx - thanks for that. Yabby, you really must learn to spell if you want to patronize people effectively. Mispelled insults are not a good look.
"Desperate" is the correct spelling, and no, not only have I never seen it I cannot believe they make it. If I watch television at all it is usually the ABC or SBS.
My information did not come from that infamous "veggie" website of Animals Australia, it came from the reports WRITTEN BY AQIS which are available for download from there (and from AQIS in more detail).
If you like, I can do the calculations for you on Wellards losses on these voyages as a special project and list all the issues AQIS found but I'm sure you are more than capable of doing that for yourself and I haven't got time. Be a good lad and do some serious and definitive research rather than relying on your self-professed (no-one else agrees with you) omniscience. I can assure you though that they have to do with insufficient time in feedlots (so specified in most cases), inadequate heatstress modelling, inadequate research into inanition and salmonellosis, insufficient feed and medication on the ships, and ships that are inadequate for the purpose (poor flooring and sharp protrusions leading to injuries, which lead to septicaemia). One significant culprit is reported to be the "Stella Deneb" - but that's only one.

Happy reading! You could watch "Desperate Housewives" for a break, it may be right on your level of self-absorption, intellectual capacity and self-interest.
Cheers
Nicky