Nicky

I don’t care . Thats fine have it your way.
There have been MANY such types of issues over the years and each one has proven us right.

We joined OLO to escape the abuse but were followed. All your material is libber stuff and that’s a matter for you. I wish you well in your efforts to help animals

Now to the Emanuel’s family that has contacted OLO with threats of legal action if there name is not taken off my post I say this.

Unless of course you have since retired you are most certainly been listed as an owner of a shipping company dealing with live exports?
You can ring or email us and I note you have not done so. As I posted the link to our web site AND our email address for you why not use it.
If you are not involved in the trade then we are happy to remove your name from our list of shipping agents for live exports. What are you scared of by contacting us.?
If you want to Sue somebody Sue us not OLO
Again all you have to do is show us why we should remove your names.
Until you do our aim to to name and Shame each and every one of the live exporters.
So don’t be underhanded. Come out and show yourselves. We have requested OLO forward us a copy of your complaint.
It is our right
We will as I said remove your names IF and only is it’s warranted.
If you had nothing to hide IMOP you would be contacting us.
As far as I am concerned it could make an interesting follow up for AA and 60 minutes.


PS Tell you what I will call you on your mobiles - All of you and we can have a nice little chat OK

Pinjarra WA

Mandurah
&

North Dandalup

North Dandalup WA

Emanuel Brothers P/L Johnathon Emanuel Manager Director

West Perth

Esperance

Camperdown Vic

S= here is the email address again

http://www.livexports.com/contacts.html

*in whose opinion is a 1% death toll acceptable? *

Nicky, in the opinion of nearly everyone who is involved with
and understand extensive livestock production. That includes
vets, Ag Dept people, people who fully understand what
is going on and why.

Extensive livestock production is a little different as to
what happens in places like Europe. Let me give you an example.

In a place like NZ, they farm sheep. When they lamb, the
weather can told cold on them. Hundreds of thousands of lambs
can die in a cold snap, given the millions born. Thats the
reality.

In Europe or even the US, when they lamb they take ewes
inside, put them into little pens, then fuss over them,
rub iodine on the navels etc. Some sheep die, from human
error and its actually highly debatable wether they are doing
any good in reality. In some ways they might be causing more
problems then they solve. In Australia we tend to let nature
take its course and land up with much hardier animals.

Now take the NZ lambing. They might lose 10% of their lambs
due to weather. Thats 2 million dead lambs in some years, it
could be more. Are you going to try and shut down the NZ
sheep industry, because a couple of millions lambs die?

Poor sooky Yabbs - no talkies with pale :)

We told you he only had eyes for you Nicky

Theres hope for you yet. I dont know about our Yabbs though .
Hes always made the wrong choices.

Hilarious.

Oh come on guys wheres you sense of humour. Cant you just see Yabbs being the housewife while Nicky breeds lectuce leaves.

On the something more serious. I have spoken with Johnathon Emanuel
this morning and requested he send us his complaint to OLO.

He has agreed to do so. He claims he is no longer involved within the live Export Industry and his stock go to a plant in WA - cattle not sheep.

We have agreed to look at his postion upon recieving his written complaint.

So far it has not arrived but we will see what happens by this evening and keep yopu posted.

Of course the question must be asked if these people were involved at the time in the Live Animal Export trade then why should that be priverledged information.

We like to balance it also with a sense of good will encouraging others to divetrt to establishing the reopening of plants to service their providers.

Perhaps others would like to give their opinion on whether or not
the names should remain there as a matter of public record.

We have hundreds of details involving live animal exporters and have longed campainged for other animal welfare groups to name and shame the people involved like the police are doing now with hoon drivers.
So we invite comments as to if you think these names should be removed or remaim.
You be good now Yabbs :)

Gertrude, whilst I appreciate that you at least have a sense of
humour, unlike Nicky, I find it pointless to respond to your
posts, as I find them totally irrational.

I recently actually thought of your brain, when I was listening
to Edward de Bono discuss how brains function. He pointed out that
they work as pattern systems. He pointed out that they are very
bad at changing perceptions, that people have to actually learn to
think.

With your brain, its more like a can of confused worms and I have
yet to observe any other OLO posters who can make any rational
sense of those confused worms :)

I am sure that your intentions are genuine, that your emotions are
huge, but I can't argue with the irrational, sorry. AFAIK
you live in your own little mental world there, which few actually
understand. I certainly don't and don't even try anymore.

Why on earth should I fancy Nicky or anyone else? I am here to
debate points of reason that interest me. If I want to sleep with
somebody, I can pick them up locally.

Yabby

Re AFAIK

The difference between you I is you post things off your sites without any knowledge or background.

I am not refering to stock Yabby but facts. AFIK. Who do you know there Yabby/ To whom have you actually had personal dealings?

The people and companies you have quoted have mostly contacted us.

While you fail to understand the connections between some statements I have made- that is just more proof to me that your a small time player still under the spell of the old boys club.

Ok In furture I wont take anything for granted that you understand and I will be blunt leaving any humour out of it.

While you agreed your are a smaller player you have always at least indicated you are well informed.

If you cant follow my posts regarding the industry that would indicate otherwise.

The jibe about Nicky was all in a bit of fun because I was mistaken to think you also had just a touch of humour.

Its one thing to say Wendy I dont understand your last post and quite another to try to personally discredit me.

My knowledge of the industry has been posted on hands on working with large interested companies and we have come up with even more 'interesting' set backs.

The fact that its hard to relate to people who have not been present at such meetings is one thing, which I suppose, I ought to consider more.

However attacking my personal knowledge and mind is quite unexceptable.

I see your butcher buddy on the other thread doesnt think pale are too far off the mark.
You cant have people agree with you all of the time yabby.

Just some of the time - like I do some of your comments.

Others are just simply plain misleading. Regardless live animal exports is cruel silly and our nations Greatest Shame.

If I were not so busy I might have said a bit more but I will leave it at that.