Yabby
What they argue is that its not their job to fix it. Thats a fAIR Comment. Only the other hand I am asking all of them to help pluss Government. I am not going to pull punches and i calleed RSPCA National yesterady to voice our concerns that they work with AA but ignore us. Only RSPCA QLD have supported our work with Muslim leaders.
RSPCA National have now for the first time in six years agreed to sit at the table with Muslim Leaders to discuss our MOU. However that said threy do not see that it is their place to get involved with opening plants. What we ALL share world wide is a united effort for the live trade to stop. What I am seeking is and always was to develope a programe that works and hand it over to RSPCA AA or somebody.
Now that has become a REAL problem to me because I honestly do not wish to do this for the rest of my life. Also my part is only small and HKM needs hard nose Meat Indusrty blokes more than myself.

The new Ministers office has stated they are happy to talk about this new idea of HKM. I just got off the phone also from Kevin Rudds office to discuss like wise.
I keep saying this can be done but only with Government suporting this project instead of FF and MLA ignoring not only my requests but people who have called direct from overseas including Saudi.

They dont tell the farmers about those calls. No.

I dont have all the answers but overseas buyers and farmers DO.

Put them all in a paddock or room together for one week without outside interferance with Government if its reasonable in suppoprt of a totally new approach and you will have the begining of the answers.
Without saying too much you must be aware the new Minister has got some things wrong.
As I said I prefer top work with new fresh blood who has not gathered a mind set - I hope - yet

Yabby
sorry btw re spelling but this lap tops hard to use and I am not a office girl. I hate it. So have a dig at me if you like.
Pale as you know is hated by peta aa etc.
Probably apart from anything else we do wait to be given consent to say something.
I cant get the pictures out of my head of what these animals go through.
I you think AA or RSPCA are extreme you have no idea what i would like to do to these bastards sending animals alive. I utterly detest them .

Now that sounds odd for someone who speaks and gets on well with some industries but they have grown to at least consider for the first time someone has put something together.

The sheep council invited us to talks with them while refusing to talk with AA

Livecourpe spoke to us throughout the Cormo and even their head said at least we had a plan which if supported by the government and farmers could possibly work.

We exchanged jokes with them while suggesting they paton whatever shampoo they used in the pictures they showed the public of the sheep on the cormo:)

We DO TRY to get on with people despite our deep feelings of outrage.
We understand we must work with the industry but MLA and FF WONT allow us the contact and exposure we need to get farmers informed.

That IS the truth and I am going for a swim .I am returning late this evening where it will be easier to post.
I might even tell you about the story we were running after speaking with Ticky ABC for many years.

*What they argue is that its not their job to fix it.*

Gertrude, that argument is about as intelligent as the Catholic Church,
who want to ban condoms and abortion, but leave it to mothers as to
how to feed those kids for the next 20 years. When you make
an argument to ban something, you need to think things through, including
all ramifications, not just read one page of the book. The whole book
matters! Otherwise your solution could cause far more harm then
existed in the first place.

That is exactly what is happening in the mulesing debate. Farmers
who don’t mules have been offered a premium for their wool. The
result will be that some won’t, so lots more sheep will simply die
in the paddocks from flystrike. As it will be out of sight is out
of mind, you will have huge animal suffering out there in the
paddocks, sheep dying slow lonely deaths, because of well
intentioned but ignorant animal activists.

If you are going to change things, you need to think through
ALL ramifications of your actions!

Since when is Lynne White actually filming improvements in
animal welfare in the ME? Why does she just film those bits
which suit the AA agenda?

Kim Chance was on the County Hour today, just coming back
from 2 weeks in the ME. He inspected a new abattoir in Saudi
Arabia, which he says is as good or better then anything he has
seen in Australia, when it comes to animal welfare. He says its
Australian involvement that is making that difference, as
competing countries like Sudan, Somalia etc, don’t give a hoot
about animal welfare.

Why is it that you only believe a bunch of veggies like AA,
But won’t give a bloke like Kim Chance, who is reasonably
level headed and certainly far more objective, any kind
of credibility?

Yabby

pale replies
In the long run = Yup. I agree. Different reasons than you probably.
Also I didnt get into the Museling because your all wrong.
Wrong Sheep - wrong country.

Just a correction of my above post. I meant pale dont or wont wait for aproval or consent to say something and that annoys some.

Yabby If you want some Muslim people who have lived in ME to stand up and say how bad it is then pale will happily supply them.

So if pale does that will you then agree. No I thought not so whats the point.

Lyn White did the Australian Governments job and for that matter RSPCAs as well.

Just like I have been trying to do Mark Vaile and MLA FF and Austrades job alone with the Premier of each state in Australia.

That would be to promote and encourage growth of our exports by introducing more value adding per raw materials.

Yabby Dont you see that down the track Australia will be tagged as wart criminals along with USA and UK and sanctions will be put in place.

Do you really want to rely on China to feed us. Maybe its a good idea in one way because we should reep what we have sown.

Also where in the hell do you think we are going to put the flow of migrants that are to come to this country. What jobs and industry will we offer them and their grandkids.

Re RSPCA I totally agree its good for them to learn some of the problems but only so they can inform their members and invite them to help kick off the new share farm and abattoir ventures.

Thats what We have begged AA to do as peak Animal groups.

That is because the system is so corrupt with the pro live exports and support for the Industry involved in the cruel trade.

Thats because cant get the Government of FF or MLA or Austrade to assist in any weay to do anything that is in direct opposition to the live trade industry.

*Also I didnt get into the Museling because your all wrong.
Wrong Sheep - wrong country.*

No we are not all wrong, because I accept the reality of today.
There are 80 million or so merinos and that it not going to
change overnight. Easy availability of
Trisolfen could have been a win-win, instead now we’ll have
far more suffering animals. That’s the sad reality of that
story.

Nobody is saying that there is nothing wrong in the ME.
Nobody is saying that bad stuff does not happen there. But once
again, the reality is that they will keep killing 12 million
or so imported livestock there, with or without our
involvement. You don’t change cultures overnight, as
we did not change overnight. Australian involvement in
bringing about change is the only stuff happening there,
to our credit. We should be doubling our efforts there,
not pulling out completely. Without us, things will simply go
on as they were, animals lose. That’s the reality.

Your problem is that you won’t accept market economics,
yet its been shown to increase living standards and make
people better off. So you get frustrated by Govt organisations
who don’t see things your way.

I don’t buy food from China, nobody else has to, we get to
choose. I certainly buy some imported foods, just not from
China, for my own good reasons :)

Go and have a look as to who is picking the fruit Gertrude,
its nearly all backpackers. Aussies don’t want those
crap jobs anymore, they have it far too good.

As to jobs in 20 years, most likely they haven’t even been
created yet. Twenty years ago hardly anyone in Australia
worked in IT or finance. Now they are some of the highest
paid people in the country, huge numbers of them. Things
like the internet are changing society so fast, we simply
can’t predict what will happen in 20 years.

Yabby
You speak of fruit falling to the ground and nobody to work for these farmers. You speak about economics on the other hand.

Then you say oh we have more IT workers now. We cant have a bloody future relying on China to feed us or any other country= wake up! Are you living in the real world.

We cant eat IT computers. They wont need computers if there is no produce.

Do you REALLY think that relying on a neighbour to feed us is safe. Look where we are placed in this world. Right out here on our own!

Your only screaming that Governments have litterly stuffed this country.
No staff =Get some No plants then build them= No people = Then train the Aboriginal people and give them half share in theoir OWN futures.

Yabby said

Aussies don’t want those
crap jobs anymore, they have it far too good.
pale replies
They either work or move to areas where there IS work or NO Its no welfare. Lots of migrants coming! TRAIN THEM

This country cant carry these ever increasing welfare payments.

So there is your staff. Regardless the live export trade will stop. I suppose you do have one point= It probably wont be to Aussies to fix this problem.

It WILL Be people from overseas. Do you know what Yabby they laugh when I tell them of our huge problems regarding farmers not getting staff and how our country cant make people get off their arses and get a job.
I havent bothered with your Kim Chance since sending messages quite some time ago. Think its time now to point out he can travel to ME in his pro cruelty trips but not return calls from local Australians.

I have not chased too many people given AA refusal to assist and knowing we required a lot bigger team to take on each state in Australia.

I WILL speak out if RSPCA National do not give the pale projects working with our MOUs with Muslims a LOT more attention.