Yabby

Aah, Sir Yabbs knock knock, but RSPCA are 'not' a group of veggies. It is yourself who is trying to spin porkies :}

BTW the post above was totally independent of any other groups being a ‘Government ‘official.

Perhaps everyone would like to see the very 'up to date footage' of what the industry seem to think is Ok

Oh and this is on RSPCA site so lets not try to being the veggie argument into it ;) >

http://www.rspcaqld.org.au/media/Live_Export_Update_14Feb07.pdf

Many of those are crop farmers a bigger percent of ordinary decent farmers ‘disapprove’ of the live trade.

As well don’t forget the Australia Public which runs into the millions and the public funds poured into MLA and other Government friendly funded offices.

Does MLA really think they can bully the Australian public and RSPCA?
It would seem to me also MLA ought to remember its public funding as well as membership funds.

Shipping Agents who are the real traitors to this country and farmers. Increasing arrogance of MLA trying to bully the public and RSPCA will not be tolerated.

Let them start doing their job which was to promote carcass and chilled and BTW in a fairer manner giving the everyday bloke such as the local butcher an Equal opportunity.

There is no use trying to ride of the back of Veggie Groups because RSPCA are not a bunch of veggies

No more bullying of the RSPCA. We need to reopen the abattoirs that employed thousands in regional areas and start value adding in this country.

So Yabby not for an extra twenty dollars a head, or forty, or a million, is this barbaric cruelty going to continue.

Even the Live Animal Exporters 'themselves are on record as saying live animal trade has little to do with product and everything to do with the trade dollar.

It could be lumps of stone as far as they are concerned.

They just do not care and most see little difference.

However RSPCA do!

Gertrude, you do not represent the Australian public, even if you mostly think that
you do :) You are simply one voice of 20 million, you cast your one vote like
everyone else. What the meat industry does is negotiated between us, who are
in the meat industry, and the Govt, who represent ALL the Australian people,
not just a few veggies. What MLA does or does not do, is voted on by farmers
who are part of the meat industry.

Whilst you girls sit there on the Gold Coast, fooling around on your computers,
farmers deal with the live trade, know the strict standards that are applied,
even accompany some shipments to see how animals are treated. I trust
real people working in a real industry for my information, an intelligent
Govt will do the same.

The RSPCA is free to be against the live trade, just like I am against city
people being allowed to own dogs, when they lock them up in houses
and apartments all day, whilst they go to work. The poor buggers can’t
even have a pee!

There is nothing about sheep on your website photos ( supplied by Animals
Australia btw) that does not happen in Australia every day, as people
butcher their own meat. They tie their legs up, cut their throats. That’s
the reality. That might shock some city slickers but its every day
country living.

Nobody is bullying the RSPCA. Its more like a heap of veggies trying
to bully farmers, shut down their industry and destroy their livelihoods.
Not friggin likely! You’ll have 45’000 angry farmers to deal with!

If the RSPCA is serious about animal welfare, they are free to donate
some of the millions that Nicky has told us about, to help us farmers
improve animal welfare in the ME. Our competitors are supplying
around 11-13m animals a year to that market. Our efforts are helping
those animals too, which will be slaughtered with or without Australian
help. That’s the reality, get used to it

Yabby
No need for myself to ‘pretend anything.’

I can only speak for myself and the public that have made contact. Meat eating public Yabbs :) Yes there has been a great deal of input from others.

That only serves to show the overwhelming majority of people from all walks of life support RSPCA.

RSPCA have long demanded the evil trade be stopped and replaced by chilled carcass only.

It must be hard to get your head around that there is an organization immune to the usual gives bribes and donations.

I understand, here, you guys, 'thought', you had it covered, but not everybody operates like the MLA and anyway MLA are not in charge of Animal Welfare.

That is the duty of RSPCA. Please try to remember Yabbs you are getting yourself all confused.

I really must thank you for making it so easy for myself to demonstrate how people involved in the barbaric business refuse to abide by the legal authority RSPCA.

It’s good you have highlighted this and I would like to personally thank you as always for your kind contribution. :)

MLA- Australian Meat and Live Stock are not above the law, they only think they are.

BTW I do not quite understand what you are speaking about when referring to votes?

Are you referring to the attempt to infiltrate RSPCA with members that are live Animal Exporters? (Speaking of the MLA) and live exporters I wonder who came up with that plan, Umm.)

You should warn your friends not to be seen trying to purposely block the legal authorities from doing their jobs.

That may even be seen as an act of aggression and intent to pervert the cause of justice ...

Or are you referring to people with conflicts of interests sitting on Animal Welfare boards.

You know what I mean the ploy`s sitting on boards casting votes about live animal exports while at the same time being a live animal exporter.

ALP will put as stop to that.

*Please try to remember Yabbs you are getting yourself all confused.*

ROFL Gertrude. After reading some of your posts and conspiracy theories,
I can only burst out laughing :)

You are free to dream up even more conspiracy theories, but I’ll stick to
some facts.

Yes there are a small number of people actively crusading against the
live trade, that’s about all that it comes down to. They are free to
have their opinions, just not free to inflict them on the rest of us.
What associations they have with whichever organisations, I really don’t care.

On “Sleek Geeks” this week, they showed how easy it is to get people to
sign petitions, when the public freely signed a petition to ban water :)

Fact is that the Australian live export trade operates under world leading
standards and the RSPCA were part of the group that drew up those
standards. Those standards have been in place for a couple of years now.

Fact is that without the live trade, farmers would be shooting animals and
burying them in pits.

Fact is that the live trade plays a huge role in alleviating animal suffering
in Australia, particularly during droughts and proceeds from those animals,
rather then letting them die in the paddocks, lands up in farmers pockets,
to be spent on feeding their remaining livestock.

Fact is that the farmers and other people who understand the industry, want
it to continue and support MLA, as its complimentary to the present
local slaughter that is happening here.

Fact is that no matter how high the standards, even if we used the
Queen Mary to transport sheep, that would still not be enough for
some with their own little ideologies. Ok, whatever…

Fact is that Australian farmers are the only ones freely putting their
money on the table to improve animal welfare in the ME, something
which other claimed “animal welfare” organisations have so far
refused to do, AFAIK

Yabby
You’re such a baby which is why I left you sitting up there as the last post all day. I am sure you are like a child and you really believe people only read the last post.

I remind you again RSPCA are not some veggie group. Also if you look at the background there have been cries for an open enquiry into MLA for years.

Clearly some think they can ride rough shot over our laws and challenge our authorities however they forgot one very important factor and that are the public.

So feel free for your live export buddies to try to fool RSPCA with members to out vote their authority.

They ought to be careful as I have pointed out to you before they are not seen to be trying to pervert the course of justice.

There is undeniable proof of what RSPCA is saying Yabby.

Only today a finding in a WA court ruled they could not enforce the laws.

Do you really think that wasn’t just the result and finding they were after:)

Oh Yabbs how naïve you lot are. No wonder you all don’t have the capability let alone the common decency to sort out how these animals can be slaughter in Australia and send chilled only as RSPCA have insisted for years.

Even they have had enough of the porkies and RSPCA are very main stream as you know.

I personally feel sorry for the children and grand children of these barbaric people involved in wicked acts of cruelty against animals. I just can’t imagine leaving such shame to future generations it’s really quite beyond the pale.

Try not to stay up too late its all over anyway really because RSPCA enjoys full support of the public- Always has always will especially regarding anything to do with live animal exports:)

Gertrude, the Australian public do not believe that the livelyhoods
of thousands of farmers should be destroyed, on the back of
flawed ideology, it doesent matter who says it!

Now if people are against the live trade, ok, you are all free to
buy the livestock, slaughter them here if you please.

What you don't have is the right to deny farmers to operate in
a free and open market, to make their livelyhoods. A live sheep
ship is no different to a feedlot, except that it floats and
feedlots have not been banned in Australia. We can also show
that conditions in those feedlots are worlds best practise.

As it stands, the abattoir market in WA is not free at all,
or livestock values would not be so much lower then they are
in the East. In the East, there is at least free and open
competition in the marketplace, from operators between
States, unlike WA.

But oops, I forgot of course, you think that economics should
play no role in this, despite the fact that the public thinks
that farms should operate as businesses.

Businesses which can't operate with sound business principles,
like having a free and open market in which to operate, are
not very business like at all! Sounds more like Gold Coast
housewives economics to me :)