Gertrude, I remind you that we are a major food exporting nation,
so not about to rely on any other nation to feed us. But the foods
we are good at producing involve mechanisastion. We import some
foods that are labour intensive or niche. We are not about to starve
lol. Consumers decide what foods they buy and from where it comes.
They pay the price accordingly. They vote with their wallets, its
their choice. Just as its your choice every day. You are the one
who keeps going on about the people. Well the people vote every
day, maybe just not like you.

You still don't get it that you cannot force people to do jobs that
they don't want to do. We are not in a Soviet Gulag! Aboriginal
people are free to be trained and work in present abattoirs.
You cannot force them. If you cut off dole payments, we know what
happens, the crime rate rockets up.

No employer will hire a person who simply does not want to be there,
for he can go to the nearest half million dollar machine and wreck
it in 10 minutes!

Why should Kim Chance return your calls? Gertrude, has it ever
occured to you that these people might well just see you as an
eccentric crank from the animal welfare lobby and want nothing
to do with you for they think you would just waste their time?

If somebody wants to build a new meatworks, they are free to
approach the Dept of Trade Development and go from there.

First we'll see how the three that are on the drawing boards,
awaiting EPA approval, will turn out and what difference they
will make. We should know by the end of next year.

Meantime farmers are baling out of sheep as fast as they can,
to grow more wheat. So IMHO live trade numbers will drop
substantially anyhow. There is simply no money in running sheep,
so there is a huge swing to cropping right now.

Yabby

What percentage of Animals goes live compared to chill in your opinion.
I am interested due to talk with heads at RSPCA

In WA its about half, 3 million versus 4 million or so.

For Australia as a whole, its about 4 million versus 30 million.

Thats very rough figures. Those figures could change
quite a bit this year, with the huge sheep selloff going
on.

yabby
Umm, Thanks. RSPCA say ten% -but if you add 'all' stock leaving- (Well you know what I am saying I 'think.)

eg QLD lead in live cattle. Then goats, camels, pig, etc

I dont think I care anymore. I care about the animals but when you keep getting kicked in the arse or stabbed in the back and all the your members are screaming because they work just as hard only to be treated like enermy -you really have to question what your doing with your life and others as well.

As far as I am concerned despite your bagging us along with AA and PETA we are only the Australian helpers for offeres to expand plants and chilled supplies from Muslim Countries.

"These people know a lot more than I do" .

All invitations for meetings have 'always' been to meet with Saudi ans other Muslim Leaders including Maylasia Oz .

We were just to get the right people together and help them make contact with the farmers because FF and MLA "refuse to help."

You say Kim would want not to talk to me = Ok Yabby but plenty of Muslim Leaders have not only spoken with my but acted on the HKM proposal.

I am not trying to be a smart arse. I have worked bloody hard to pull of these MOUS but always with the idea of passing them onto AA or RSPCA or at least getting support.

RSPCA despite the blind eye and the write up in the Australian against them along with WSPA and overseas launched the handle with care programe without even contacting pale despite the fact we work in conjunction with RSPCA QLD.

That naturally upsets the pale members and to be REALLY honest.
I just dont need this in my life.


Our members have had enough of the years of their obtuse attitude. I was asked to meet with AFIC six weeks ago.

I havent even bothered to even return the call.
Thats not me....

I tried but -too many bitchy women IMOP

Lets see THEIR plan!

Gertrude I have always claimed that you are going about things
the wrong, way, but I have also accepted that you are the only
ones who accept that there is a meatworks problem in the first
place.

I don't think that the RSPCA has the foggiest about the problem.
10% is not 10% in this case! Fact is in WA its half! If
you shut down the live trade, you would have truck convoys
for miles, full of livestock heading on a thousands of km
journey East, with no food, no water, for at least 3 days!

Its either that or dig pits. The situation is so hopeless
in WA, that even now sheep are being trucked East and thats
with the live trade going.

People forget that until the year 2000, it was illegal to
export lambs, as it was a Govt monopoly. So nobody
bothered to invest in the meat industry, if they could
not export. Duh!

When Monty House deregulated the industry, some Govt works
were shut down and one single player was brought in with Govt
help, that was Fletcher. So where is the competition?

Thats the real problem in WA, no competition, the few players
dictate the terms as they please. Thats why our prices are
so much lower then in the East.

We'll see what happens with these 3 new works, if they can
solve all the EPA rules. Thats why my call for a Govt
facilitator.

Investment by Arabs would be the best option, as then there
would be a guaranteed market in the ME. Otherwise they will
simply source their live animals from elsewhere, thats the
reality.

Yabby
don't think that the RSPCA has the foggiest ....

pale replies
They dont see its their role. Only highlight it and demand the industry and Government fix.

If RSPCA were seen to be directly involved in setting up plants the public might cry blue murder.

On the other hand, and this is the way I see it - If RSPCA AA at least 'tried to learn, educate the public, asked for help to greet Muslim delegates in each state, and talk direct to farmers, then that would be a huge step in the right direction.

'I think ALL the groups under estimate the publics common sense.'

Yabby said

Investment by Arabs would be the best option, as then there
would be a guaranteed market in the ME. Otherwise they will
simply source their live animals from elsewhere, that’s the
reality.

Pale replies
Yes I agree which is why I did it that way. Plenty Of Arabs interested Yabby I can assure you. That’s not the problem. Many Muslims and others world wide are miles ahead of us here in Australia.
They reckon they can see the writing on the wall with these live exports. They are not stupid people.
They are very savvy business people and anyway they really love the disease free green.
Anyway they are really excited by the prospect of being involved direct with Australian Farmers believe me.
No that’s not the problem. The problem is they want to meet farmers” direct first.”

That’s their ONE condition to meet with farmers 'first' because they do not want their first point of contact to be Government. They know how live is favored and want farmers to know direct from them what they are prepared to do.
They mostly want to’ listen to the Australian farmer’ and ‘ hear’ the farmers problems and learn direct because they d not trust some to be honest with them and they want the Australian farmers to hear the truth direct from them.