Yabby
My sanity has nothing to do with it because I keep telling you these proposals come from overseas.
Now isn’t a good time to talk to me after just viewing 7.30 reports and seeing the way in which animals are treated. Not that I haven’t seen it all before.

In another post of yours not about live exports you described life in ME the way it really is.

Kevin Rudd isn’t going to get away with live exports and don’t forget I spoke with the Advisor who contacted us prior elections. I think I have been very fair so far because I have not disclosed any conversations. I always do what I think might be best I the long run... I will wait a while longer.

Until more plants are built we will have to sub some prices. It’s really that simple.
Staff must be allowed in etc- You know the drill.

I have just emailed RSPCA and suggested that AA RSPCA discuss the meeting that they have been invited to many times with Muslim Leaders and I would suggest the Government joined as well.

Even IF Rudd banned it at midnight you and I both know what must be done to open plants.

Perhaps now is the time for pale to go public about the lack of interest to sit with Muslim Leaders and work united on our MOUs.

So at the end of the day we must work to open more plants, staff them, sort out tariffs and levies that were driven on purpose to favor the live trade.
. The ME and others have said for years we know it will be banned and we are interested to look at the proposal HKM Pale and AFIC have suggested so what’s wrong with the others.
That’s the REAL QUESTION?

Anyway I came home tonight if you feel like posting. I hate! the lap top.

Gertrude, the real point here is that the veggie movement have
no right to try to force their flawed ideology, onto the rest of
us! That is in fact what is happening.

*The RSPCA has long argued that the transport of live animals for slaughter is cruel.*

I dispute that claim by the RSPCA. If animals are fed, watered,
have shelter etc, are gaining weight, then a floating feedlot is
no different to any other feedlot. But as we know from on here,
thats not even the real issue, as even the Queen Mary would
not be good enough.

People are free to build more meatworks, I would be the first
to support that. But not free to ruin thousands of farmers
in the process. There is no reason to ban the live trade in the
first place. There is no reason it can't freely compete with
meatworks. Its really up to the customer.

Pets and livestock are not the same, its time that the animal
libber mobs learnt the difference.

If animal welfare in the Middle East is the issue, then these
groups are free to put their money where their mouth is, for
the benefit of all animals.

Yabby Said

*The RSPCA has long argued that the transport of live animals for slaughter is cruel.*

Yabby
That is simply unrue rSPCAfor years have stated they want it banned. Do a google search to find hundreds of letters to that effect.
YabbyasAmjad Mobood said as Muslim eaders years ago they need to know the Government will support their moves to re open plants
As you said you understand some of the background and changes that Government made years ago- and it needs to be changed back
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As for AA its not really a matter or not if they have a lot of veggie people either.

They say both on TV and Web they support chilled.
I only know one person who could dspute that and I dont know thats its important either.
RSPCA are main stream and very reasonable. I am going back to my unit to think what is best if you can read between these lines.

Might try that silly lap top from there later.

The answerIS to bring in trained staff and slaughter here by reopening dozens of plants.

The old they are ok its a load of garbage and you know it.

Tell it to somebody who doesnt know better because I do Know Yabby So your waisting your breath on me unless you wish to talk about reopening plants and meeting ME reps Government etc.

Well Gertrude, that quote was taken from this mornings Farmonline,
as stated by Mrs Bradshaw. Go read it for yourself.

Yabby

Am I supposed to be clairvoyant now? What Did Lyn Say.

You mean Ban Live Exports?

The Keniries enquiry came to the conclusion that Live Exports needs employ the recommendations and that it will be eventually banned altogether.

Three prior Enquiries demanded it was banned years ago but yet rhe Government allowed it to continue. I cant express my utter contempt enough.

We can say that we have a proposal to at least faze out a percentage of the Live Trade.

To do this we need the co-operation of all Animal Welfare Groups, interested Farmers and overseas buyers.

This is where you and I understand far better than AA or even RSPCA. After saying that I acknowledge your pro live so on the other side of the fence. Only today I spoke with RSPCA Australia and again invited them to the table and this time they accepted which is a step in the right direction. This is only fixable working with the buyers and they are overseas.

Here is the problem as I see it. RSPCA AA and the many animal groups world wide do not see that they are either qualified nor should it be up to them to introduce changes to the meat trade.
They see their duty to point out the cruelty and the problems only. They probably see HKM and pales work as going too far- even extreme if you wish. We see it as a start to actually do something .They do not understand that. They feel that once the problems are highlighted it should be a simple matter for those who understand the industry far better than them to fix it. Given the facts you and I both know the Industry is driven by the Industry itself.

So the answer is for MLA and FF to be replaced and Austrade as well. New faces names agendas. All people interested invited to meet farmers to discuss supply buy stock direct and areas to build new plants with total backing from both state and federal as well as animal groups.

Gertrude, what Lyn said was highlighted by * *, you even snipped it.

*This
is only fixable working with the buyers and they are overseas.*

I actually agree with you on that point. Veggie groups don’t have
the foggiest about business. If we followed the points they have made
so far, no doubt there would be a total disaster, but then I don’t
think they would care.

Only market based solutions are going to work, for they totally
forget the Black Swan factor.

Let me give you just one example.

http://allafrica.com/stories/200710310351.html

Ethiopia has around 75 million livestock. USAID has just spent
12 million$ building the first four of 25 planned saleyards in that
country. Its going to mean a lot more turnoff for their export
markets, including the Middle East. Its just over the hill from
the ME after all.

If you ignore buyers, do so at your peril, for they can do things
you have not even dreamt about. Like source their livestock from
elsewhere, whilst you are caught without mountains of unsold
mutton, in the process sending thousands of farmers broke.

You will have achieved absolutaly nothing, except to shoot
Australia in the proverbial foot.