Goodevening.

fyi link below '

‘part’ of our lawyers letter.

No I did not request a meeting with the Minister for Aboriginal Affairs as we had no firm proposal to put to him due to the muslims doing their usual backflip. We also heard no more on Paradise Country.

Wendy, irrespective of what the Muslims may have signed you and I know they have not honoured the MOU nor have they really proceeded in the spirit of the document. To them the MOU really means nothing if you judge by their conduct to date. Even if they are in breach they know you will not sue them and if you do what is the loss? It is an only an MOU after all.

I believe it premature to see Rudd unless you have some mandate/agreement with the Muslims – and to date they just jerk us infidels around. Without a concrete proposal and the ability to say it has the full support of both HKM, Animal Rights, etc and they will just blow us off and say come back when you have something.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/compose-message-general.asp?discussion=1547

Yabby said

*Ending the live export ....

pale comments

For Christ sake Yabby its not rocket science you faze it out by reopening plants here -'Der'

Yabby-
Clearly ABARE think that the live trade is vital.

Are Yes Yabby ABARE. How happy is the public that Government are not giving clear messages to public and Muslims alike.


Yabby since Dr Ali was replaced many things have changed.

On one hand the Government tell Australian public that we will not lower or standards for anybody.

ME people are 'very wealthy' and the crap about no refigration is utter LIES.

Moderate Muslims are very happy to pre stun and slaughter here.

They readily accept pre stun meat. Not so with some of the more extreme Muslims- that is true.

The question must then be asked whats MLA Austrade the Australian Government doing mucking around with Extreme Muslims.


What changes have been made by the Government regarding AWB who are still exporting live Animals

None??

Sheesh Nicky, you even lack a sense of humour. What a sad person
you are.

No, I generally don't worry about spelling on the net, I leave
that to the pedantic. That would make you a good housewife :)

I focus on the big picture and that is, as we have established,
that even if we shipped these animals on the Queen Mary, you would
still be opposed to the trade and that would still not be good
enough for you. The fact that your ideology is flawed, is your
problem, not my problem.

If AQIS are documenting any deficiencies, then clearly they are
doing their job! Fact is that in any large orgination, with lots
of people doing lots of jobs, some mistakes will be made and
some things overlooked. The live trade is no different.

As to deaths, its high time that you hired a qualified livestock
vet, who has worked on farms, in feedlots etc and has some industry
experience. He'll soon tell you that a 1% death rate is quite
acceptable. But then, as a pet loving housewife, its that experience
that you lack in the industry, which is the problem. You are probably
a very good backseat driver too :)

Poor Yabby. Speaking of flawed ideologies, I am curious about how you arrive at the conclusion that everyone who disagrees with your particular dogma favouring cruelty has a flawed ideology. Nor does correcting poor spelling of necessity make one a sad person.

You also seem to be under the impression that referring to someone as a "housewife" is an effective insult. I have never been one, but I know some whose intelligence and capacity for knowledge are quite extraordinary - in excess of yours, I would suggest based on available information.

You are, however, correct about the "big picture". Sending these animals on the QEII would not make it acceptable (and let's face it, you don't. There is one ship that is possibly passable but which hasn't the best track record, the rest are tramps (I've researched every one of them in the Fairplay Register of Shipping).

It has to do with the sick, psychopathic, merciless people you send them to. And no-one for a minute believes Cameron Hall's squealing about Australia "improving animal welfare outcomes in importing countries". Let's not forget that these are countries where publicly flogging and stoning female rape victims, female genital mutilation and other human rights atrocities are the norm. So please don't try to tell us that Nigel Brown and his little band of "yes-people" are going to make a difference for animals. The solution is don't send them. A glimmer of awareness might then present itself that they aren't going to get fed until they learn to treat animals in a way that approaches community expectations. And you don't need to be a vet to recognize gross animal abuse when you see it.

Night folks
Nicky
PS PALE, why am I more/less ill-mannered than Yabby?

Letter printed with permission - By ME Oil Rig worker 2003 (Extract)

http://liveexportshame.com/oil_rig_worker.htm

"Every time I see a truckload of animals heading for Fremantle, I feel ashamed to be an Australian.

These animals are leaving Australia at this time of year in the middle of winter. When they get to their destination it will be in the middle of the Northern Summer where temperatures of 40 + degrees are normal.

I worked in the Arabian Gulf on an offshore drilling rig for many years and have seen these ships carrying these sheep go past on a regular basis. You can smell these ships long before they come over the horizon, and for days afterward dead sheep would be floating past the rig, this is because the tide runs in a circular motion.
We could not understand why there were so many sheep tossed into the sea on a single day, until we saw a couple of them trying to swim, then we realised that this must have been the final clearout of those animals that would not have passed inspection, or would have died before sale.

Rather than kill them and carry them to the side of the ship, they must have made them walk to the ships side and just pushed them overboard.

Unless you have lived in the Middle East, you can have no comprehension of the people or customs or conditions that exist in that area.

There are supermarkets there just as there are here, and they sell frozen meat of every description.

I have seen an animal killed in the back streets of one of these countries and it was not a pretty sight. That poor sheep was being skinned with its throat only half cut, hanging up by its heels. The fate of some of these animals can only be described as being horrific.

No-one with any sense of decency could ever condone the live animal trade".

This, plus the fact that a ship's officer told me that they often turn off the ventilation once leaving Australian waters, says it all, really.

Nicky

Time to look at the 'bigger' picture.

At who we are supporting by trading.

At any connections to extreme Islam.

Its time the Government stopped lying to the public.

As the X President of AFIC said - most modern Muslims or main stream Muslim readily accept Halal pre stun meats.

Well if that’s the case, why, is the Government ,'encouraging trade' with the 'not so modern main stream,' Huh?

Dr Ali went on to say there was no reason they could not be slaughtered Halal in Australia.

For a 'time AFIC claimed 'to support co joint ventures inviting Muslims to Australia to cojoint farms and abattoirs.

Ar, but that was before the new elections.

There was great interest in this from Saudi and Malaysia.

Now it’s all about building plants in Malaysia, ME and other destinations to export these animals alive along with our jobs.

(Oh all subbed by OUR Aussie tax payers purse? Are we mad- "why are we so quite about this."?

Its time we took on the Federal government for exporting "our tax payer’s dollars" our jobs "and promoting barbaric cruelty'.

WHY are the Department of Foreign Affair still 'only prompting co joint ventures – 'one way=' 'ME way 'and other destinations= Anywhere BUT Australia

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:ychRYh1HtVIJ:www.aph.gov.au/house/committee/jfadt/malaysia/govtresponse.pdf+departement+of+foreign+affairs+co+joint+ag+meat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=au

I think its time to inform the public of the 'not so main stream' Muslim connections that don’t accept pre stun meats and ask Kevin Rudd WHY we would be supporting strong business with them and funding it with OUR Aussie dollars from the public purse.

"This is the way we must tackle it."

Why are the new leaders working with Overseas Muslims void of any co joints with Australians?

Why is MLA laying through their teeth and FF and Austrade only supporting promoting co joint ME way ours funds again

Why hasn’t the Government jumped on -Mr. Glyde . (ABARE) head lies to the public.

Muslim DONT requires animals alive for religious purpose Mr. Glyde and they have 'plenty' of money for refrigeration.

You and MLA Lie. We demand the Government put a stop it NOW.

“Housewife” Nicky, refers to your qualifications in the field of livestock
production. You are not qualified in the field, nor do you have any experience.
It seems you would rather bemother livestock, then accept that we eat them.

If a sheep is hogtied, you think its cruel, whereas it is standard farm practise.
If sheep are on a truck or on a boat, the poor dears must be suffering. Says
who? The evidence shows that sheep gain weight on the boats, that’s not
a sign of stressed animals. Do you have any data to show high stress levels?
These things can be measured.

I can only judge you by your comments so far and they sound to me more like
a clucky housewife, then somebody qualified or informed about livestock production.

Yes there will be the odd ones that are sick, or that limp. Walk down the street or
walk around in your local shopping centre. You will see the same things amongst
people.

Yes, we know that you stereotype everyone in the Middle East as barbaric. It seems
not to have occurred to you that there are all types there, just like here. I remind
you of the Hallmark/Westland scandal, happening in the USA, home of Peta.
Perhaps they should clean up their backyard first, for they are as arrogant as you are.

Kim Chance has just come back from the ME and he tells us that he saw a spanking
new meatworks, equal to or better then anything he has seen here in Australia.

25 new saleyards are being built by the Americans in Ethiopia, so that they can
increase their trade with the ME. Do you really think that they will do anything
to improve animal welfare in the ME, when those animals go there?

Tim Darcy is correct. The animal rights lobby should put up or shut up. You collect
millions in donations, much of which is spent on full page ads in newspapers. Its time that you used some of this money to assist in improving animal welfare in the
ME, as farmers are doing.