Hi Rojo
I don't. What's the car park about? And PALE possibly thinks we are all a conspiracy, you and Yabby being one person, and there is a Suzanne mentioned twice and I can't find a post anywhere from a Suzanne. Perhaps I'm going nuts.
Nicky

Rojo, I have long ago given up trying to make sense of Pale’s posts, but you
can keep on trying :)

Nicky, you are free to call me patronising if you wish, but the arrogant disdain which
some of you paper shufflers display towards farmers, gives me every reason to think
that its high time that somebody challenged your many claims.

Now its all very well for all these veggie groups, with their agendas and slick marketing campaigns, to post all sorts of stuff on their websites, but how much of this
stuff is actually true?

Just because something is referenced, does not make it so. A good portion of OLO is
taken up by true believers quoting their bibles. They have yet to show that the Almighty had anything to do with writing it. Similarly, the claim of 40’000 jobs
lost because of the live trade needs some substantiation, if you are going to make
that kind of a claim. A quote from a union official is not good enough lol.

Penny, last time I checked, the MLA budget for animal welfare was around the
three million $ mark. How many people they employ and in what roles, I really
don’t know. Some funds are being spent in SE Asia for restraining systems etc
and IMHO, once they have finished over there, a similar system for sheep in
the ME would be most welcome and solve a lot of animal welfare issues.

Fact is that Australian farmers are the only ones doing anything about animal
welfare in the ME. That helps all animals over there, not just Australian ones.

What are the rest of you doing, other then sitting by your computers, making
smartarsed comments about us farmers and the evils of livestock farming?

How many of you have even bothered to really think through the consequences
of what would happen on the ground here, if the live trade ended, in terms
of animals and animal welfare? Do we go back to shooting them and burying
them in pits, as we did in the early 90s?

Hi Nicky, It's all a bit too much re: double identity conspiracies, I can't see what anyone has to gain by doing so, and even if they felt the "need" to it doesn't invalidate their posts, it would be easier just to humour them.

I'll go back and check Penny's references, and while I may not have properly referenced mine I stick by the figures, and to the best of my ability present them with honesty. I'm afraid I will continue to take govt statistics over union ones, but thats just me.

There's no doubt about the mining boom is absorbing workers, so why would we want to ban live exports on the basis of jobs? Penny knows she is on shaky ground when she has to pull out the cruelty card. Cruelty is certainly an important issue, but a particularly subjective one. The question I would ask is why seek to ban an Industry, when the same efforts could go toward improving the industry for the benefit of all animals. Then everyone could actually co-operate.

cheers

"Penny, last time I checked, the MLA budget for animal welfare was around the three million $ mark." (Yabby)

Would that be you again Yabby, manipulating the truth?

Do I recall reading that the MLA's welfare budget went towards animal research in Australia? Healthier sheep healthier profits eh?

Are you attempting to dupe us into believing that $3 million is being spent in the Middle East?

Are the chart of accounts and financials for MLA available on-line? Since it's a consortium, they should be. What about the bank statements? They would be extremely useful.

Perhaps you could verify your claims by giving us a link though you have always failed in that area, haven't you Yabby?

Mind you, I am quite capable of performing my own research, however, my worldly goods (including my computer) are to be packed up today for relocation.

I shall therefore be off-line for some time, though perhaps I can peruse this thread by accessing my temporary host's computer.

Continue with your wonderful endeavours girls.

This moving's no simple feat, but I shall return to OLO ASAP.

" It seems to me Dickie is the only one with the brains to pick up on the `link` I posted from the Enquiry into Abattoirs."

Dear God Dickie what will we do without you.= Best wishes for
your new location from all of us at pale RSPCA QLD.

"I will keep the enquiry answers for you until your return."
= I am away 14th to 22nd also.

Nicky said
I assume that when you have called Penny Suzanne you meant me, but I don't know why. -
Nicky
Posted by Nicky, Sunday, 6 January 2008 11:24:15 PM
Pale replies
No I meant Penny but your Nicky Arnt you?

What I can assure you is this= No it was not intentional.
I have no desire to upset well intended people working for animals.

See this is what your mobs problem is.

You always think the worst.
if your friends don’t like it. Tell them to get on here instead of using you as a lackey.


This is why waltz and all pale were the only ones to stick with the RSPCAQLD
Why on earth don’t you follow what Dickeys picked up on in the link on abattoir enquires.
You in particular could do a lot of good with that. Especially if you follow the links between ownership of some of the companies and business.

The Government stacked the cards towards the live trade working with their mates in the Industry. The results of that quite disgusting and deliberate shameful. Which is why I wanted you to listen to the problems because regardless of who was responsible its we must argue to Rudd too be changed.

We can’t argue the industry and put up a alternative proposal if we can’t understand and argue the meat industry.

However sadly that’s where you and I must part because like your friends to actually get in and be involved in reopening plants is out of the question isn’t it.

Well as you lot claim you are working to divert carcass to chilled pardon me if I find that some what hypocritical.

Nothing personal

Meant live to chilled

Dickiesaid

Did investigation ensue?

Palereplies
Person working for Australian Ambassador>

http://www.livexports.com/eyewitness.html

Dickie,

You still have AWB and others.

I thought yourself, Nicky, Penny, who is particularly good with research, might like to conduct your ` own.

We would make comments along the way.

However remember, No enquiry is going to get the Abattoirs reopened

“Only answer to STOP live animal trade.”

Your question further- Dickie


I will tell you like it was. Docs been shredded by now anyway.

If it helps you understand `our` position it might help animals down the track.

We arranged, Australia’s largest bust, of federal departments, to be raided simultaneously, in each State, at exactly, the same time, this country had ever seen. A hand picked operation with no possible leaks.

Bit more leg work had to be before that could be put into place.
[I won’t say which department]

Findings should have provided charges and a Royal Commission and a band on live exports pending the outcome.
In which time hopefully many plants would be underway= Abattoir plants

You will understand there was a great deal of background work we personally had to pay for.

We ran out of funds. 4 Corners were happy to reimburse but unable of course to be `directly involved.

So contacted President [at the time] AA.
It wasn’t a lot of money but we were broke having spent so much getting it thus far.


The President was fantastic and said yes straight away. There was only one other person she had to ask who said flatly No. The loan was for six weeks.

Let’s forget that now
I refer to your post on Abattoir Investigation.
http://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/hansard/hans35.nsf/NFS/947c9d2bdc1db86748257081002561f6

Dr J.M. WOOLLARD: I will come back to the Leader of the National Party


1. PALE Q= did the leader and deputy PM declare a conflict of Interest Here?

2. PALE Q=Does he deny MLA staff claims that he personally over saw ships loads of sheep from Australia to Kuwaiti and wouldn’t that be in direct conflict with Abattoir owners?