If I were to email privately, it would disclose the anonymity of my business concerns, I'm afraid, and can't do it anyway. Sorry ...
Nicky

I am `sure` peta know you.

Be prepaired if you keep raising peta and others we have the right to respond.

What we give you is real information and 'nothing' is copied off others web sites.

Anybody posting on Animal Welfare is welcome.

Unless we suspect they are sent in to interupt, discredit by nitpicking.


btw= Your comment on the Halal and Kosher slaughter thread is a little misleading.

Fact is several of the same organisations have written a "very different reply" to us than your comments on the Halal thread when invited to meet with Muslim leaders to assist in the reopening of plants to faze out live exports.



We have written replies from 'several' saying = they could NEVER be involved in assisting to establish abattoirs reopening.

Dont you find that a tad conflicting.

Emails and messangers were sent out not to work with pale.

Maybe I am missing something here Nicky so why dont you tell us why we shouldnt find that somewhat odd.

You would `think` the more animal lovers the better.

Especially a new group with five or six lawyers on board giving up their valuable time.

Considering we offered to share Australias first MOU with the Muslim Leaders themselves to work united to improve animal welfare.

But no= they are not interested. How much of this is ego and how much political only a few know.


I mean they protest the live trade= and rightfully so= However pull up when given a oportunity to really make the difference by dealing with the problem instead of just complaining.

Worse still black list the only group with a project to really make the changes required.

Surely they know by now the Government are not going to listen.

The answer to live exports and intensive farming Nicky will always! be within the Industry itself.

Hugh Wirth once said= You cant sit down and talk to these people= You cant reason with them= because they `think` they walk on a higher moral ground that the rest of us.

"At least he got something right!".

Dear me. Paranoia rising. I think it's quite likely PETA does know about me, although in their scheme of things I'd be a pretty small player, I'm afraid. I don't recall copying anything from its website either,I merely stated the policy they, and Animals Australia, have detailed on their websites; that is, promoting a frozen carcass trade.

You keep saying that you have all this written material saying that other groups won't work with you - so let's see it. Perhaps there are other reasons why they choose not to work with you that are not related to policy or philosophy. You don't provide any background, just veiled secrecy and threats. You are the only person discredting PALE, from everything I have read.

I have asked repeatedly for more detail on the often cited achievements of PALE since its inception - how many of your "co-joint" (BTW, you should use one term or the other - one is redundant) are in operation, where, how many free-range farmers you have got on board with this strategy, but have yet to see any evidence beyond much talk about "Muslim leaders" supporting you. If you have the support of all these lawyers, why are they not takig up the case against slaughterhouses which break the law by slaughtering unstunned animals?

Do us all a favour, and don't respond with a diatribe of threats and venom, we're so over that. Show us some proof of PALE's success.

The people who are making a difference are Animals Australia's Lyn White, and the Live Export Shame people, who seem to have expanded to other states than WA, and present well-researched facts and figures.
Nicky

Nicky
I answered your questions.

Five in Melbourne, three new arragments in QLD for exports.

Two soon in NSW.= Thats plants and farms. Nowhere near enough.

You will get no argument from pale regarding Dawn and Trish Brown or Lyn but that wont fix it.

Its time to start doing the neccassary things. Its been reported to death.


ReYourself=Lets look at the petition re Rudd and Kery Obrien.

We waisted ages posting you but we ended up did the petition ourselves.

Zero Interest all of a sudden from you.

Nothing on the question time in Parliment despite us speaking with the Minister as promised.

We invited you to attend metings to discuss slaughter methods= The same= Your not interested.

The other work for intensive farms- Same thing.

Conclusion is that your main aim on here is to snipe at pale either for yourself - or perhaps somebody other than yourself.

Do you really want us to post those letters on OLO.

How would that help the good people trying to do their best.?

How would that help the animals.?

I note you have ignored the two posts on the Halal Kosher slaughter thread.

I said Nicky we are to meet with Muslim leaders again.

I would have thought it would be clear they "wouldnt post here until at least after that."

You know they cant win can they. If they come out and complain Kosher is cruel it will be seen as a attack on Jews.

Mean time people say oh those cruel Muslims.


If you were REALLY concerned about the animals you would have jumped at the chance to sit at the table with the Muslim Leaders and debated this along with ourselves.

The venum you speak of Nicky certainly doesnt come from pale.
We would rather give and educate.

You think your doing the right thing I suppose.

Its sad really.