Continued

But one Way.

By fair minded decent people to agree to meet and greet Muslim delegates from overseas who are interested in meeting farmers at grass levels- to discuss supply of stock and local areas to open or reopen or contract Halal Slaughter.

Because the Government targetted the abattoir industry by making them the `only `industry not allowed to use GATS or employ workers from overseas, I suggest we slaughter here Halal and send whole carcass overseas.

We are not going to get any help from farmers federation MLA Austrade or even AMIEU who have been instructed to back off live exports.[ No prizes for guessing whom by]

Mr Rudd do not think you will stop us from reopening abattoirs and advertising to the world to buy cruelty free range products =opposed to the Australian ALP Government “official animal welfare policy of intensive misery and sick stock after long sea journeys. Haram]

May the best product and advertsing campaign win Mr Rudd.

We were thinking about a before and after choice pictures on our products.
You know=
This is Australia`s intensive industry products which are pumped with drugs with your picture edorsing the cruelty= Or this is our Free Range Or Slaughtered here Halal products.
Which do you think the Muslims will buy Mr Rudd. Muslim leaders of Australia have said this.
http://www.livexports.com/afic.html

So Penny. You want to stop live exports? Intensive farming? Then ask the Animal groups to help address the answer by getting stuck into the solution with us instead of the problem.
Of course they wont.

We have the contacts with Muslim leaders both here and Saudi ME Malaysia but we can’t do it all by ourselves.
We need people like Tassi and WA and all over who know their own areas to assist.
We will supply Savvy experienced meat and stock advisors.

We need to act quickly before Rudd does more deals with China and we all know how they treat animals!

Oh and we dont want donations - thats not going to help one animals but we do need your time- Nothing more.

IIRC, O'Brien agreed that the first thing we need to do is increase
our animal welfare efforts in the ME. Farmers seem to be the only
ones actively involved in this. No animal libber lobby in sight
anywhere on that score.

Penny, sigh, all this stuff has been discussed to death on OLO.
Rather then send more camera crews to the ME, AA could send a camera
crew around Australia, where sheep are hog tied and have their
throats cut every day. Its not illegal in Australia and is common
practise. But I concede, some city folk are rather squeamish,
as they confuse livestock with their pets.

If the economic value of these sheep is as high as is claimed, why
don't local operators buy them at market value and slaughter them
here? Farmers are constantly told that farming is a business,
so they need to make business decisions. So we do.

Livecorp is an offshoot of MLA, which is an organisation backed
and funded by tens of thousands of farmers.

If all these people lost their jobs in the meat industry, why don't
they accept the ones being offered by meatworks, who are screaming
for labour?

Farmers are not silly. They remember the bad old days, when there
was a hiccup in the live trade and they had to dig holes in the
ground and bury their livestock.

Animal libber groups have offered no contructive, alternative solutions so far

Penny

Warning, warning....iceberg ahead!

A dehumanised, live sheep exporter has invaded your thread!

Official figures from DAFF for sheep mortalities on the death ships, for the financial year ending June 07:

Thirty seven thousand four hundred and twenty eight dead and diseased sheep dumped overboard!

Which doesn't include cattle, deer, camels and goats also transported on the ships of misery!

Some party that eh?

To the last poster - Yabby(?) As far as I know it is illegal in Australia to hog-tie any animal, and and to cut its throat while it is conscious. Animal protection laws tend to mirror each other state-by-state.

Why should anything be different for a sheep than a companion animal? They all feel hunger, thirst, pain and fear. Australia has a shockingly poor record for animal cruelty and it is to be found mostly in the farming sector. Cruelty is cruelty, be it a sheep, a cow, a pig, a chicken, a dog or a cat. It's just that companion animals are more equal than "food" animals because farmers make the last dollar out of them.

If what Dickie says is true it seems unlikely that the claim of labour shortages is a valid one. I know that in areas of NSW and Victoria there were countless meat workers out of work as abattoirs shut down, and so did other businesses which survived in those regional areas. If this trade (although the figure is fraudulent, someone has said) supports 13,000 jobs and the meat workers have lost 40,000 while those jobs are moving off-shore to slaughterhouses in other countries, you wonder who is losing the plot in this. The bottom line seems to me to be that the farmers want the biggest "bang for their buck", which comes as no surprise.

So it becomes a moral argument. I agree with Dickie, the slaughter of animals - particularly on the scale the human species does it - is absolutely abhorrent, but if it must be done it must be done as close as possible to where the animal was reared. It doesn't seem too much to expect that it should have had a reasonable life in which it could be what it was meant to be either (express its natural behaviours, and have its physical, social, behavioural and spatial needs met).

Ah Dickie, who dislikes David Attenborough, as he shows the
truth about nature. Best to just pretend its all dreams eh?

There was an interesting documentary on tv, explaining the
power of maternal beta endorphins. They are similar to
morphine. Those motherly types seemingly just can't help
themselves!

Roughly 4 million sheep die in Autralian paddocks each year,
Dickie fusses over a few thousand, out of millions.

Given that Dickie has no experience at all with livestock,
no wonder she does not understand these issues. Ignore the
qualified vets, the industry experts etc, let motherly love
rule! So sweet :)

No wonder that rational politicians ignore you lot. All emotion
and no reason is downright dangerous and certainly irrational

There you are Yabbs

Happy New Year

Dickie yes they are awful figures indeed and dont forget as you say they are only the ones we know of.

Penny Yabbs is a average[sort of] bloke who only exports small numbers however takes an interest in the live trade. Well he sells to an agent]

The fact is its blokes like this we need on board with new ideas.

Only when you can offer the Savvy hard core if you like- or even as Dickie said cruel live exporter farmer a better deal or at least a real alternative will you start to turn things around.

The meat industry isnt full of sentimenal chaps nor is the farming Industry so lets be honest about it.

Most of the people that post about the barbaric cruelty[ and rightfully so] on OLO do not have the knowledge required to put up alternatives to a cruel trade that enjoys complete support from the Government.

The truth is we cant do anything without the farmers. AA and PETA do upset them. They would be far better off assisting to re open plants and lobbying the Government for the GATS to be used here in Australia like every other Industryto solve the labour problem.

Yabbs Said
Livecorp is an offshoot of MLA, which is an organisation backed
and funded by tens of thousands of farmers.
pale replies.
Yabby I know you think that but they have mislead tens of thousands of farmers.
Now I would like to debate this a great deal more with you over the next few weeks.Debate not fight ok. I will listen to you but please listen to what AFIC and ourselves have experienced on a much larger scale than you operate.
I think you might be surprised to be honest.
Its now 11.30 and I am up early funeral. It seems every time I am talking to you I have something to do with funerals to attend.

I hope that not a sign or something. You guys having been taking donations have you Yabs.
smile