ALP States allowes ritual slaughter .

Withdrew MOU with AFIC.

Ikebal weak .
Ikabel with HKM RSPCA QLD to the Senate enquiry into Animal Welfare.

http://www.halakindmeats.com/submissions.html


Oh BTW Nicky Wonder why Andrew in twenty years didn’t ask AFIC for something like this>

http://www.livexports.com/afic.html


Nicky
PALE, if I could make a suggestion, should it not be up to the group, farmers, politicians, and possibly AMIEU executives to meet your Muslim friends?

Pale replies
See what I mean- You haven’t even bothered to look at this>
http://www.halakindmeats.com/

Who Nicky do you see standing there other than the head of the AMIEU?

And This+=See the X Federal Leader of AMIEU for thirty years along side RSPCA CEO Muslim Delegates and others.
Actually Andrew was at that meeting.

And I will Say It Again AMIEU "were told to back off! Live Exports”, quite some time ago!

Nicky

I don't think it is for members of the public, regardless of the level of their concern and antipathy, to get involved at that level,

Pale
What level- You mean actually doing something other than fund raising? Why Not? Who said we have to follow AA and Peta rules! Who do they think they are.

I will tell you right now it’s the only thing that will make the difference
Either help us to support the kind Muslims or cop the cruel ones.

Help the farmers and you help the Animals.

Nicky
Likewise, I don't think you can reasonably expect positive input from other animal advocacy groups given what you are encouraging here.

Pale - Interesting

Nicky
You have a cognitive dissonance, if you like, in basic philosophy, and demeaning theirs, and their strategies, is perhaps less than helpful and doesn't assist yours.

Pale
Yes I am sure it is! Umm would that be the veggie extreme do as your told PETA rules Nicky?

Nicky
Dickie, Peter Singer identified.
Pale
Oh dear- What now? That abortion is murder?

Nicky said

Reports I've read.

Pale
Tells me 1080 has competition. They need [herd dogs]

BTW Saffron kindest death

Penny, so you are basically saying that you don't know if the 10500 are direct jobs because the info in the report is as Bartlett presented it-just numbers. Which are in direct conflict with the AMIEU's estimate of 2500 direct jobs, which I am more than sure are not under-estimated. Especially since the AMIEU's claim is from 2003, several years after Heilbron's report was released. In fact that estimate was when over 6 million sheep were exported, now it is closer to 4 million. Now about that 40 000...

Thanks for the longer sky article, but I've already read it. Pity you left out the bits about "lamby pamby" and "beefy weefy", compulsive reading.

dickie, so it's not just about live exports, there's a surprise. What was the point with the rodeo post, that Auckland has a sensitive Mayor who wants animals to give up their right to hurt humans? Sounds like he's in for a rough ride.(yes, weak pun intended)

Dickie, if you bothered to check, the Australian sheep flock in 90/91 was 170 million.
Its now around 85 million. Box poison, which contains 1080, grows along side
of the road here. You are of course free to put a bit in your cup of tea, as a natural
herbal drink :)

Nicky, I’d rather rely on good scientific evidence when it comes to the question
of pain etc, then your convictions. Given the importance of meat exports to the
Australian economy and the various claims, it only stands to reason that a proper
scientific study is overdue , so that the arguments are settled once and
for all.

I certainly did not defeat my own argument. The live exporters drove nobody
out of business, they continued as ever. The drop in sheep numbers drove
some out of business and many meatworks closed due to union thuggery.

Penny, if you happen to rely on articles such as that of Murray for your opinions,
that is your problem. Murray has spent much of his time as a shock jock,
he clearly does not know a great deal about agriculture. He was challenged
by many about that article, including by me.

You are free to call AQIS and find out how their charging system works.
The claims made were a distortion of the facts. You people then read
such dribble and repeat it endlessly, without checking.

If you are like 70% of the population, then you drive an imported car.
Next thing you complain about jobs lost to overseas in the meat industry.
Have you thought of trying to ban car imports? Why should farmers
not be allowed to compete in a global market as others are?

Rojo said
Pale, now you are doing it again.

Yabby did not say:
"Yabbysaid
Interestingly the Heilbron report states 10500 "lost" jobs, the AMIEU's claim. No wonder you are distancing yourself from it-"

*I* said:
Interestingly the Heilbron report states 10500 "lost" jobs, just over half of the AMIEU's claim. No wonder you are distancing yourself from it.
Posted by rojo, Friday, 4 January 2008 11:21:47 AM

Please, please try and get it right. You just can't get cut and paste that wrong accidently, can you? Omitting "just over half" makes a big difference to this statement.
Posted by rojo, Saturday, 5 January 2008 11:42:13 PM

pale replies.
I am no office girl. I have other skills. I would apologize [again] but I don’t know to whom I should direct it= Can you help?
Yup whom do we address this = *l* perhaps. = Or *You* Or Yabby?
And who is *I*?
Because you are quite right Yabby did not say, = *Rojo Did.

Is it any wonder I get confused.
It drives me nuts. Its not just you.

Where is Robert and the pale car park now. [Just kidding]

Please try to get it right Mr *I*

After saying that= I am not happy with myself. I don’t like the Robbie Dobby types and you stayed out of the car park so I assume you don’t either.
It’s just that you accused me of trying to insult you when I was actually just cracking a joke and letting you off in good spirit.

Also because I was disappointed to see you in support of Rodeos

Remember the=

Old Proverb

Small I may be- But am I much

Terrible may I be- But am I good.

Ladies= what happened to the title of this thread= Did Kevin Rudd tell porkies pre election or play any part in misrepresentation of his policy.?

Yabby said
Why should farmers
not be allowed to compete in a global market as others are?

Pale replies

They can and they should instead of sending raw materials in their most valuable form.

Animals are not cars yabby.

There’s a few people on this thread with tunnel vision I fear.

Dickie – I will try to be offended by your generalisation of farmers. Some of us have a holistic approach to farming and care of the environment is just as important as animal welfare. In fact, the two go hand in hand. Animal health on farms that are managed carefully and without the use of chemical fertilizer, pesticides etc, is far higher than those raised using ‘conventional’ methods. It only follows that meat produced on these farms is much better for human health.

Nicky – I don’t think Hyfarm have had much experience with the animal welfare concerns of their operation yet, and I think I would be stressing the yet? It has been kept very quiet. Yes the pigs will go to intensive farms in asia, but they came from those conditions. Don’t automatically assume they would be worse over there – the asians have a much higher regard for the pig than we do.

There seems to be an undertow of almost hatred for farmers here from some posters.

Some of you seem to know these reports verbatim and treat them like a bible. Have you bothered to take an honest look at the issues from the other side? None of you seem to have any hands on experience. I have said it before, get to know what is happening in your own backyard.

"Dickie, if you bothered to check, the Australian sheep flock in 90/91 was 170 million.Its now around 85 million."

So now it's "90/91" is it Yabby. You did say the "early 90's." Why do you continue to distort the truth?

Then you reiterate: "Its now around 85 million."

I reiterate: "2007 there are now 86.3 million"

And the MLA and the ABS on 20/12/07 said this:

"Today’s release of the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS), Principal Agricultural Commodities, Australia, Preliminary, 2006-07, estimated that the Australian cattle herd fell 1% in the year to 30 June 2007, to 28.2 million head, while sheep numbers plunged 5.2%, to 86.3 million head."

How curious that I am accurate on farming statistics and you are not!

But then you have never let the truth get in the way of your evil intent, have you?

"Box poison, which contains 1080, grows along side
of the road here."

Cyanide, belladonna and digitalis also grows in plants, you fool!

PF. We've been through this before. My criticisms are not directed at those sincere in their endeavours to farm in a "holistic" manner.

And so do the following links indicate that we have more manipulation by state and federal governments to protect their heinous live exports?

And why the manipulation of Visa 457 specifically for abattoirs when other industries are not obliged to comply with these tougher conditions?

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/wa/content/2006/s1930247.htm

http://www.abc.net.au/rural/wa/content/2006/s2104228.htm

Of course when governments continually sleep with mangy dogs they become infested with vermin, don't they?