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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Russia is not losing the war, Ukraine is.
- And they are going to try to freeze the conflict to prevent a military collapse, but Russia's not likely to go for it.
They are more than likely to push Ukrainians back to the other side of the Dnieper, before they let up.

Ukraines out of reserves, out of ammo, there not much more the collective west can give.

And if Ukraines air defense is doing so well then what was zelensky doing in Greece begging for some?

Anyway, you'll see, there's only so much the narrative can hide and they can only get away with it for so long.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 7:32:25 PM
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Influential figures in the US make a case for peace to avoid worse outcome

The Case for American-Led Peace in Ukraine
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/case-american-led-peace-ukraine-206732

"Western arms deliveries offer little relief. Most of the pledged main battle tanks are already in the theater, and there is limited prospect for further deliveries. Reaching for antiques like the German Leopard 1, first introduced in 1965, won’t be a gamechanger. The “fighter jet coalition” has pledged F-16s, but it’s unclear when and where these will be deployed. In any case, they would be outmatched against an increasingly active and confident Russian Air Force and Russia’s formidable integrated air defense. Stocks of precision weapons are shrinking, which clearly plays a role in the Biden administration’s refusal to provide ATACMS missiles, vital for American security in the Pacific."...

..."If Russian forces can drive deep into Ukrainian territory and capture the regions Moscow has identified as its objectives, then the war ends in a significant Russian victory, and crucially one reached by force of arms alone, not a peace settlement mediated by the United States.

A Russian victory on these terms is a significant setback for the United States. The reputational damage to American competence and the NATO alliance would be colossal, as the best of NATO hardware and training has already gone into the Ukrainian military, and Russia would be able to make the claim that it stood alone against the West—and won. The Sino-Russian relationship would also strengthen. Finally, the cheap and effective weapons Russia uses to win the war, such as the Lancet, will flow to every regime opposed to American leadership around the world.

Therefore, it is imperative that the idea of a peace settlement amenable to all parties in the conflict—including Russia—takes hold and is seriously pursued in Washington. Influential American figures are already engaged in Track 1.5 diplomacy with their counterparts in Russia. These efforts should be encouraged, expanded, and form the basis for sustained engagement in peace negotiations. Only then will the United States be able to focus entirely on containing China, which is of paramount importance to American security and prosperity."
Posted by Armchair Critic, Wednesday, 23 August 2023 10:18:41 PM
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Baldrick,

Again, you post obvious lies. You claim 50,000 Ukrainians were killed in the counter-offensive with absolutely zero evidence. The Ukrainian figures of Russian casualties have more backing and claim 250,000 Russians killed or wounded.

The chances of Russia advancing to capture the entire Donetsk and other regions are zero as Russia's army is far weaker now than a year ago.

The comments about the lack of counter-battery capabilities came from Russian bloggers, not Western sources.

PS. I hear Prigozhin has just been assassinated. Russia is now eating itself alive.

Also, the Russian Lunar module made a big impact on the moon due to incompetence.

Russia is losing the war.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 24 August 2023 4:11:48 AM
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What a cry baby, the result of the counter offensive tells it's own story charter boat.
- They achieved nothing.

But they took an abandoned village! Waaahhh!
It was only 6klm from their starting point and they still have 100klm to go but they're making progress... Waaaahh!

Where are they going to get the next army and equipment from?
It's almost amusing watching you cling on to hope.

Maybe German Nazis in Ukrainian flagged flying saucers will appear from under the Antarctic ice and come to the rescue.
I can hardly see anyone else coming.

Yes it appears Prigozhin is no more.

You really belong with the likes of Annalena Baerbock
That's your camp Lol.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 August 2023 8:27:42 AM
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Ukraine Sacrifices LAST Reserves on a TINY Village
http://youtu.be/Jrd9LEfn1aM?si=_akDujLZWqd4luy-

Russia attacks infantry with drones
http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1694100714161943039
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 August 2023 8:57:08 AM
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BBC is propaganda too charter boat?

Ukraine war: The men who don't want to fight
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66542065

"Ukraine is struggling to meet its demand for soldiers.

Volunteers aren't enough. The country constantly needs to replace the tens of thousands who've been killed or injured. Many more are just exhausted, after 18 months fighting off Russia's full-scale invasion."

- Who's going to fight your war?
No point spakking out about it, like a progressive throwing a tantrum.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Thursday, 24 August 2023 10:33:14 AM
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