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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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Russia's most senior generals have dropped out of
public view after a mercenary mutiny.

Where is armed forces Chief-of Staff- General Valery
Gerasimov?

He hasn't appeared in public, or on State TV since the
mercenary mutiny of Yevgeny Prigozhin and Gerasimov is the
Commander of Russia's war in Ukraine.

Absent also from view is - General Sergei Surovikin,
nicknamed "General Armageddon,"by the Russian press. He's
the Deputy Commander of Russia's war in Ukraine.

Perhaps they've fallen off tall buildings?
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 2:26:12 PM
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I asked AC: "Were they [ the people you listen to] , AC, the same people who told you Lavrov wouldn't lie and that Crimea just wanted to be an autonomous zone?"

And while trying to not say 'yes', AC says 'yes'.

All the rubbish he writes about Crimea came from Brian Berletic whose video completely misleads about the status of Crimea in Ukraine. Which is why AC got it so wrong. My policy has always been that if a favoured source gets something wrong, I question what else they got wrong and if they mislead then I don't use them any more. AC on the other hand just ignores the errors and the false leads and carries on as though they remain impeccable sources. And that's the road to the garden path.

AC writes: "All these people are from the West, "

Just because you get Russian propaganda with a western accent doesn't improve it. It's still Russian propaganda. (NB: I'm not talking about those people who post on the nitty-gritty of the battles since, as I've said, anyone thinking they can see through the fog of war already reveals their naivety).

I couldn't quite work out why Berletic seemed so familiar but then I tracked it down. He used to write under the name Tony Cartalucci but his antics became so outrageous and provably wrong that he decided to ditch the nom-de-plume. (BTW whatever happened to Arjay?)

AC if you want to follow such people, knock yourself out. But thinking that you have found the key to the truth via trolls like Berletic/Cartalucci is just inane.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 3:52:23 PM
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Well I didn't listen to him back when he used the name Cartalucci, but his understanding of things is way better than than anything I've heard from you, and in this case he got things right, didn't he?

He said the counter offensive would fail, just as many others in that list did.
- And he knows all about how the US funds opposition groups and conducts overthrows, something you seem utterly clueless about.
So I'll take him over you any day.

You're they one who worships the Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell warmongering neocons.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 5:12:11 PM
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"You're they one who worships the Lindsay Graham and Mitch McConnell warmongering neocons."

And you say that based on what, exactly? Your usual fantasies?

I've never expressed support for the war and most definitely have never expressed support for the US getting involved in the war. You just suffer from a fairly standard misapprehension that if someone doesn't fully agree with you they must fully disagree. Very childish but all too common.

As to Berletic/Cartalucci, he led you down the garden path on both Lavrov and Crimea. But if you want to ignore that and carry on believing his every word, then so be it. Still, if you're gunna do that it'd probably be worth your while checking out Cartalucci and his failings
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 5:33:00 PM
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Hi AC,

You portray the US as a malevolent force. So what of nations it helped defeat? Germany and Japan for example? Were they enslaved? What are they like compared to Russia? You describe them as vassal states of the US, yet they are prosperous and developed nations with their own heritage and cultures.

You portray Russia as a benevolent protector, yet its federated nations are vassal states with puppet governments, poor development and widespread poverty. Moves toward independence are met with brutal suppression. Ukraine is just another example of what happens to vassal states that try to leave the fold.

Is it any wonder that Poland, once split between Hitler and Stalin when they were partners in crime, has been such a strong supporter of Ukraine against Russia's unprovoked invasion?

I doubt that Russia would still be Ukraine were it not for the military aid coming from China.
Posted by Fester, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 8:09:37 PM
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Dear David,

You wrote that I deserve condemnation for the Putin/Obama
joke.

When you're dealing with clowns - humour and mockery seems
appropriate.

Perhaps the joke should have been about weapons - with the
Russians throwing balalaikas instead of artillery at the
Ukrainians.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 26 July 2023 1:14:03 PM
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