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Is not Allowing Ukraine to join NATO the right decision?

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'Cannon fodder'

The whole of Ukraine has been the United States and the collective Wests cannon fodder you fool.

Russia is not losing the war, and Ukraine certainly isn't winning it.

You can clutch on to pathetic little hopes, like Foxy's the 'Russian people need to rise up', and 'Russian soldiers need to lay down their arms and run away', or mhazes 'maybe there will be some breakthrough',
or some new wonder weapon, or NATO intervention.

You all do realise that none of this is realistic?

'How can Russia outproduce the collective West'
- Probably the only sensible question I've heard out of any of you lot.
- Yet you have Biden, Blinken and Kirby all telling you the cupboards bare.

No matter the hopeful argument, none of it changes the military situation on the ground.

"The Ukrainian spring offensive was vital in altering the situation on the ground and turn the war into a battle of movement rather than a war of attrition."

No, it was vital for the Russians in letting the Ukrainians destroy themselves and any future ability to mount any kind of potentially successful offensive.

People I listen to don't liken this recent counter-offensive to the Battle of Stalingrad, they liken it to the Battle of Kursk, where the German back was broken, and from that point were always on the defensive and never had anymore significant battlefield victories;
- The point where they sensed that they would likely lose the war.

If you lot weren't gleefully slurping down the utter bs they've been feeding you for the past year and a half you'd known in advance many of the things I've been trying to tell you all, information I got from other experts know know far more than I, but none of you wanted to hear that. You wanted to listen to the voices that told you what you wanted to hear, and it wasn't the truth.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 10:22:24 AM
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It's my Birthday today so instead of arguing with a
clown - I'll stick to humour which under the
circumstances is more appropriate. Here goes:

Russian President Vladimir Putin called US President
Barack Obama with an emergency request.

"Mr President, we need your help. Our largest condom
factory has exploded. My people now have no method of
birth control. This is a disaster. Can you help us?"

"Vladimir," said Obama. "The American people would be
happy to do anything within their power to help you."

Putin asked, "Could you possibly send one million condoms
to tide us over?"

Obama replied, "No problem, I'm on it."

"Oh, and one more thing. Can you make sure that the condoms
are red in colour and at least ten inches long and four inches
in diameter?"

"No problem," replied Obama. And with that Obama hung up and
called the CEO of Durex with these instructions.

"Consider it done," said the CEO OF Durex.

" Great! Now listen - the condoms have to be red in colour,
ten inches long and four inches wide." said Obama.

"Easily done. Anything else?" asked the CEO.

"Yes," said Obama. "One more thing."

"Print - MADE IN THE USA, SIZE MEDIUM
on each one," said Obama.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 10:23:42 AM
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mhaze,
"It is rather sad. AC was so cock-a-hoop when he found this survey ("I'll make fool of your arguments with actual documents. Try to worm your way out of this one [mhaze]... ) but has instead shot himself in both feet."

And as for this, mhaze I didn't find the survey.
It was discussed in a video I watched from a ex US military YouTube content creator, that knows for more about the modus operandi of the US foreign policy, military stockpiles and procurement process than you do, obviously.

Ukraine's Recent Attack on the Crimean Bridge & Why it Doesn't Matter Strategically
http://youtu.be/PGoNNbnQmjg?t=1160

Go back 3 months earlier and look what the same content creator was saying.

Ukraine's Coming Offensive: Leaked NATO Plans + Lack of Arms
http://youtu.be/iBU74rUubi4

There were voices out there trying to inform you, but you were listening to the wrong ones.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 10:47:12 AM
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Dear Foxy,

You deserve condomnation for that.
Posted by david f, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 10:48:36 AM
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"People I listen to "

Were they, AC, the same people who told you Lavrov wouldn't lie and that Crimea just wanted to be an autonomous zone?

It makes little sense to be continually led down the garden path by your sources while asserting that they are impeccable.
Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 10:52:44 AM
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You all say I'm a victim of Russian propaganda...

Here's who I was listening to you morons...

US Tank commander in Iraq, Colonel Doug Macgregor
US Marine and UN Weapons Inspector - Scott Ritter
US Army Lt Col Daniel Davis,
Ex CIA Larry Johnson, Ray McGovern and Phil Giraldi
Us Army Intelligence Officer Tony Schaffer
US Army Brian Berletic (author of previous videos)
Trump friend and confidant, Judge Andrew Napolitano

Alexander Mercouris and Alex Christoforou (father was a US diplomat)

All these people are from the West, most with intimate knowledge of the US military,
- But you lot wanted to come up with every bit of bs you could to write off the things I've been trying to tell you.

'Russian propaganda'
- It's just as dumb as falling for Hillary Clintons bs mhaze.

- Probably no better than Shadow Minister's 'Russia is loing this war' cracked record spiel,.

All of you falling for the Western lies and propaganda,
- No better than if you all believed the 'Saddam has WMD's' load of crap all over again.

Have you all not learned anything?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 25 July 2023 11:08:52 AM
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