Scout,

It is not 'some relaxation exercises', that GZ Tan and Redneck need.

Self-reflection is an exclusive domain. :-)

All-wrong again. I can't be a Moslem apostate because I was never a Moslem. Either you don't know the meaning of apostate or you still haven't read my posts.

Read your links and so you're not just anti Moslem, but also anti communist/marxist, conservationist, pagan (anything not christian?), black, feminist, immigrant/foreigner and the article on money may be responding to my reference to slavery to profit-which means you want women working as well as being antifeminist.

But the real gem: "with repressive religions that apparently foster the belief that the ancient property of one race of people can be taken over by other races"-that's nearly every race on the planet earth-who's in their ancient ancestral home? All hates everyone-including him/herself.

jimmyj some links about what moslems are doing to stand up to terrorism:

http://islam.about.com/od/terrorism/

http://www.freemuslims.org/

Going to a total stranger and spitting, hitting, threatening with rape, threatening her children, etc. solely because she wears a head scarf is terrorism-by australians.

Keith-you commented on my post on the abuse of moslems in Australia and then said moslem ignorance was the problem and I thought that was poor taste.

Violent, aggressive, blindly bigoted, one-eyed ignorance is the enemy. Whether its Islamic, Christian or other. Whatever I say about inappropriate behaviour from the west the answer is-but look at what the moslems do-"Gee they're allowed to be barbaric-I want to be too". The west does it with the upper hand, politically, militaristically and economically.

I cannot see why dropping bombs from an aeroplane and using depleted uranium shells is considered less barbaric. It still kills people and in ways that can be slow and torturous, it still leaves people disabled for life.

I cannot understand why the west thinks it is okay for them to torture other people simply because they claim the person is 'bad', when they don't lay charges or give a fair trial.

Because you don't see it happening here in Australia, you're like mafia wives turning a blind eye to their husbands business-as long as you're kept in wealth and privilege you don't care how.

The French and British, as the Turkish Ottoman Empire was crumbling, waded in pretending to be liberators and then carved up the Middle East for their own commercial interests.

Lawrence_of_Arabia (who stirred up the Arabs to support the West in the war against the Turks) refused to accept the medals his country awarded him because he was so upset when he realised what the British intended.

Syria became France's-they bombed Damascus 1925&1926 when the Syrians complained. Iraq became Britain's possession-they bombed Bagdad and other parts of Iraq when it rebelled.

Who was the first to gas the Kurds? Winston Churchill. The Kurds were bombed relentlessly because they fought for autonomy. When the British and French divided up the Middle East they gave no homeland to the Kurds but left their traditional lands partly in Turkey, in Iraq and in Iran because the Kurds defied them.

The Iraqis fought for over a decade but it was the second World War and the financial depletion Britain suffered because of it that got the British out. Then the British invited the US to take over their interests.

The British gave Saudi Arabia to one family the Sauds-who have been in the Wests pocket ever since. Saudi Arabia is the **only** country in the Middle East that practices pure Sharia Law, they're an extremely repressive dictatorship and best friends with the US. Osama BinLadin and most of the people who were involved in the WTC incident were Saudis-not Iraqis. So why didn't the US focus on that country as the problem?

Although the British originally fought against the Jews in Israel, the US realised a non-arab country in the area was a military strategic advantage.

The British/US manipulation of the Middle East for their economic advantage continues to the present day.

Did you see Dateline's new Abu Graib torture pictures? There are pictures of prisoners with pieces of their flesh gouged out, covered with wounds, many more dead bodies, etc.

You think you can treat other people like that and they won't retaliate? You're crazy. The loons from both sides will ruin the world.

Scout,

For a person with your 'intellect', who self-appoints as being a voice of the oppressed Muslims, constantly touting a sense of "balance", pretending to be an open-minded keen learner, middle-of-road and fair minded but yet so obviously biased and pretentious, I say you've got to be one heck of a hypocrite and the most outspoken one by ratio, judging by the number of your posts.

Redneck was incorrect when he said you do not ask your Muslim mates any hard questions because you're frightened of what their answers would be. (But then he was only saying it.)

The truth is your brain hasn't got what it takes when it comes to thinking and reasoning... and you're sold out to your Muslim mates.

Knowing the background of a person reveals heap why and how someone says something.

Yours is a TOTAL lack of credibility as far as I'm concerned.

That said, I'd prefer not to waste my time with you.

Response to Aziliz,

I was very impressed by the manifesto listed on www.freemuslims.org:

"Taking our religion back one Muslim at a time

We believe in the re-interpretation of Islam for the 21st century where terrorism is not justified under any circumstances.
We believe in the separation of religion and state.
We believe that democracy is the best form of government.
We believe in the promotion of in all forms of political activity.
We believe that equality for women is an inalienable right.
We believe that religion is a personal relationship between the individual and his or her God and is not to be forced on anyone."

Could somebody please point out where Australian Islamic leadership have subscribed to a similar manifesto?

Anyone who wants to change our laws in any way to suit their religion does not believe in the separation of church and state at all. The Islamic leadership in Australia makes it plain that it seeks to implement Sharia law - whether Sufism-coated or otherwise. A couple of US websites does not represent any groundswell of popular opinion. If you subscribe to this manifesto you would be marching against terrorism and for secularism instead of against cartoons and for headscarves.

To Scout

Once again you feel compelled to tell me that I must not judge an entire group of people. But you have not thought that one through. I find that may well intentioned people who espous noble causes like "anti racism" are simply parrotting slogans that they have never thought about.

It is easy to prejudge an entire group of people because a person can not be considered a valued member of a group unless he or she conforms to the social norms of that group. Almost every group of people makes no secret of what values and attitudes it expects it's members to exhibit if they wish to remain members of that group.

Judging an entire group of people by their known values, attitudes and behaviour is therefore logical. You would not invite the Hells Angels motorcycle club to you daughters 16th birthday party and I don't want Muslims to take over my country through immigration or birthrate differentials.

Muslims believe in Sharia Law and their basic philosophies are directed towards collectivism, religious committment and and very well defined gender roles. Western people consider Sharia Law as barbaric, while we our philosophies direct us towards individualism, secularism and near gender equality.

Your attitude might be likened to a Jew in Germany in 1933, who has heard that Nazi's hate Jews, but does not wish to ask their Nazi friends about that because it might be "impolite."