"I will respect your women with the same respect my women are shown"

What are you, an nitwit? There's no such thing as 'your' women or 'my' women. There are only women. No one has ownership of women; your attitude comes across with the same patriachal male centred possesive view of women that you chastise Muslims for.

"owever we now have the Lebanese Moslems who cannot even live peacefully in their own community importing their own brand of mongrel attitude"

Your rights as a citizen of this country should not be determined by your ethnic ancestory, heritage or religious beliefs. Nor should a distinction be made between a person who 'comes here' and is bad and someone who's 'already here' and bad. Once you are an Australian citizen you have the right to be bad as much as any other Austarlian has the right to be bad.

I'm with you strayan, what's this absurd 'my women, your women' claptrap. Kekenidika, you have revealed yourself as anachronistic and biased as the religion you are attempting to vilify.

Irfan - good on you for pointing out the bias inherent in the Australian and the regressive comments by our PM. So much for attempting to bridge the gap of communication by our political and media leaders.

I have to make one point and that is Islam has a lot of growing up to do before it can be considered a positive force in the 21st century, but then show me a religion that doesn't live in the past. Christianity is only slightly ahead in that it doesn't stone people to death - but it does want to control people - from conception to death. Actually they even try to control you after death - Coach is always eager to point out that those who do not believe exactly as he does will burn in hell. Coach is so charming.

Makes me laugh when christians start vilifiying Islam - as I have stated before 'pots and kettles'.

Any way, good luck Irfan - you're gonna need it.

So No evidence that Afghans, Bosnians and Somalis live in ghettos? I can only say that your research is minimalist to say the very least – Where have you taken your surveys, or to be more precise, not taken them? Have you taken a look at the problems with Somalis in Dandenong, or other places? The rapes by Somalis do not really happen there either do they?
So the Cronulla riots involved second and third generation Lebanese and Pakistanis – shows just how well their parents have brought them up and the respect instilled during their formative years – ZILCH! But then again, that is the Moslem mindset isn’t it? It also shows how the Bosnians and Afghans have shown gratitude for the peace found in Australia, as against the Lebanese and Pakistanis, who have proven time and time again that they will not integrate into Australian society.
But I really do like this throwaway line, “the picture painted looks little more than incoherent pieces of paint hurled onto the canvas” One can only paint what one sees really, and if the Lebanese and Pakistani Moslems present themselves as above the law of the land, as a group that will absolutely refuse to integrate and show continual hostility to our society, one can only expect to view a Picasso – not a Rembrandt!
AND yes, strayan, your understanding of English is flawed, I do respect our women collectively, unlike the Pakistanis who multiple rape, mutilate and denigrate – then stone them as prostitutes. Of course the Sharia courts in Nigeria have really set a nice fine example also – would you have them here also?
We DO have the right to decide who come here, as we do have enough “BAD” people here now, without importing any more! If you commit crime you should be jailed – unfortunately Moslems are now saying that it is against their religion to be jailed for crimes against other religions – and apologize yeah right – in a pigs fundamental orifice they will. Stop dragging your knuckles along your cave floor and rejoin humanity

It’s interesting that Irfan doesn’t: “. intend to focus on what Mr Howard said, but rather on the editorial baggage which The Australian has tried to attach to Mr Howard’s comments”, when he clearly says that Howard’s remarks referred to a minority of Muslims, as they indeed did.

I also reacted to The Australian headline, “Howard hits out at Jihad Muslims”, saying to myself, ‘He bloody did not; he was talking about SOME Muslims’.

I read and noted the blowing out of the PM’s statement by The Australian, but I knew what the PM actually said, and I wasn’t the slightest concerned by what the paper, wrongly, made of that statement. The media is always making a big deal out of things, without actually telling lies, because they want to attract attention. That’s their sales pitch.

Irfan knows this. But, instead of giving everyone else credit for the intelligence to be able to compare what the media says with what we know John Howard said, he goes into victim mode and lambasts one arm of the media when there is no call for him to do that. All he does is draw attention to the touchiness of SOME Muslims.

The free media often talks a load of rubbish about most of us if they think it will be good for them. Irfan and other touchy Muslims need to lighten up a bit

hm, the typical comment pattern here, with all the attack on Islam.

My suggestion is for everyone to watch "Saved" on dvd.

While some people will dismiss it as teenage movie, the underlying message is very important for all ignorant people out there.

The bible or koran or any other religious book is just that,a bloody book, written by human, with his/ her intepretation of God's message.

It depends on how do you, other intelligent individual, to filter and intepret the message inside that counts.

Repeating my argument last time, it is the low education and social status that leads to hopelessness, and thus lead to suicidal attitude, where they have nothing to lose.

It is unfortunate that the Lebanese muslim is mostly disadvantaged in this country, which leads to their rather despicable behaviour.

I would rather discuss how to leverage them out of poverty, but apparently that issue is put in the too hard basket for some people ( and obviously, the government ).
Well, it is easier for them to divert your attention to something more emotionally involved ( and politically rewarding ), like religion.

As a closing sentence, i would like to quote from the scene in Saved

" THIS is NOT a weapon, you idiot" ( holding the holy book )

Ifran really shows his colours when he defends everything that Muslims say,do and demand. If he is a lawyer then he needs to look at truth and what is being said .
Islam and Muslim's prophet mohammed was all that they (Kekendika) said above and more.
Read "The Prophet", by Alberto Rivera ,ex - Jesuit Priest tells it all.
Mohammed did not like dark skinned people,he was white and as for women they were inferior humans .

You can read:"The Prophet", by Alberto ,on line page by page.

What nation is NOT having problems with Muslims Ifran?
Why aren't Aussies flocking to middle eastern lands to live ,and why are Muslims flocking to Australia ?

Is it for freedom,liberty ,health and wealth and love of our beuatiful once peaceful nation?
is there some other agenda ?

Read also Hal Lindsey's book Planet Earth-2000 AD ,ISBN 0-9641058-0-2 also War on Terror, by Grant R.Jeffrey ISBN 0-921714-66-1.
All revelant to today's Muslim uprising again.