Before I start, I'd just like to say that REDNECK should alter his name, as he is not a redneck at all, but probably the most rational person here.

Who else is sick to death of Muslims claiming that this or that part of their religion has been hijacked, not followed properly, and so on?

All that matters, Irfan take note, is that today, right across the planet Muslims, by Muslims I mean the Arab street, immigrants in the west, and governments, are acting in the most barbaric ways imaginable.

Most of the posts here make me sick. One I read was someone trying to say that Lebanese Muslims commit crimes at such an appalling rate because they were picked on at school!

One, just one, case, of a school principle from Punchbowl Boys High resigned and is on workers comp after a student (no prize for guessing the nationality: oh, and any leftists out there, I don't call them Australian because they say they aren't. Just watch a Bulldogs rubgy league game to see their ethnocentrism shine. Here you have a team with no affiliation to Lebanon other than one player, yet they show what can only be called racist attitudes, by waving Lebanese flags when the team plays) put a gun to his head.

Oh, and for all those who think none of us know Muslims, think again. I grew up in the Islamic diaspora heartland of Fairfield, and female friends of mine were often called sluts by burqa clad objects at the shops.

Never has there been such an intolerant culture come to this shore.

Why is it the same everywhere? Somebody tell me why there are pack rapes in EVERY ISLAMIC DIASPORA in the western world? Why? DOn't run away from Islam, tell me why Muslims believe they are superior? Not being rude, but I honestly can't think of one thing that would make them feel that way.

I mean, when you look at NAZI Germany, one can understand how they, after looking around, did think they were superior.

They were leaders in almost ALL scientific fields, they had culture, real culture as opposed to the superficial dress & cuisine - but depth, they had thinkers, philosophers, writers, poets, scientists.

I can also understand how they thought they were superior specimens, I mean, one only has to look at the actors on the cover of a BOLLYWOOD movie to see that they think white people are more attractive too, not that this matters to me.

It's just that the science of the day regarding genetics was in it's infancy. No race is superior over another, apart from aesthetics perhaps.

Why did Muslims tell locals at Cronulla to get away from the rockpools because their burqa clad women could swim uncontaminated?

Why doesn't the Islamic community demand it's bigoted leaders step down? I would call on Irfan to challenge that, although having read the SMH, I know where he stands on Sharia.

Irfan, you and all Muslims who support Sharia are NAZI's. The Palestinian people, viewed as helpless victims for so long, and used by Muslim leaders (who don't care about them in the slightest - ask Irfan about how they're treated in Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan) to call for jihad, are now being seen as BLOODTHIRSTY GENOCIDAL MANIACS who want to destory their neighbours.

I believe the west should use this opportunity to crush Hamas. I mean, the next terrorist attack they do, it's an act of war by a government isn't it? Got to love the west, one step ahead, although I can't see what the point is of further Muslim migration when we see the consequences so clearly. And anyone who thinks it's poverty, for a start go and cry, but secondly, I come from Gosford, where youth unemploy. is the highest in Australia, yet there are no Gangs who racially target people for bashings and rapes. Gang rape with a racial motive is a MUSLIM SPECIFIC crime.

To Azilitz

I know that you only want to talk about the last 100 years when you drone on and on about Western Imperialism. If you included the last 1000 years you would have to admit that Islam was just as enthusiastic about military expansionism as the West was. Pointing out that the West and Islam are therefore equal in that respect would undermine the traditional Muslim worldview that they are just poor victims of the nasty Western world.

Look mate. I come from the bottom of my own society, and I have lived among people who consider that the world owes them a living. Too many people in the “disadvantaged” class are so full of resentment towards the very society which is paying their bills, that they even develop a hatred for the very people upon whose generosity they need to survive.

When I look at Muslims I see exactly the same condition. Muslims just can not get over the fact that they have been left behind because of their slavish adherence to a religion which is self evidently out of date. For the last 500 years, they have routinely snatched at the priceless gifts of modern technology which the Western world has bequeathed to them without a word of thanks. Instead you all sit around in your decaying cities, your mud huts and your caves, and you think up ways to justify your hatred of those who’s prosperity was created by education, gender equality, scientific research and secular government.

Do you think that you guys could stop nursing your resentments and start thinking straight? Because we in the West are getting sick of carrying a religiously obsessed bunch of ingrates. The last time I went into a dole office I thought I was in the Casbah. When western people begin clamouring to immigrate to Muslim societies, you can crow about the superiority of your system over ours. But that is unlikely, isn’t it?

uh-redneck-how many times do I have to tell you I am not a moslem? Doesn't sink in hey?

And how many times do I have to tell you that I think there are faults with Christianity and Islam? Bit thick aren't you?

I have not and do not confine myself to speaking about the last 100 years but in this instant I was trying to illustrate why the current war is happening. So you bring up something that has no association with the current Middle Eastern Crisis. fffft over your head.

Do you mean the 'technology the West bequeaths the Iraqis' is bombs on their heads and polluting depleted uranium and constant interference in their politics for the benefit of economically lining their own pockets?

The West did not develop all science or technology and if saying other people are less technologically advanced is supposed to mean they cannot advance then the west would still be living in their mud huts.

Ever heard of the cradle of civilisation? Obviously not. Wasn't Europe. And you use Arabic numerals. 1,2,3-their arabic. Modern mathematics owes a huge amount to the Arabs, more than just the numerals. Ever heard of the Renaissance? Much of it revolved around the learning the Arab world brought to the ignorant West. Technological advancements favours one race then another-one country then another-noone has it forever-it cycles on.

America originally got wealthy because of their use of slave labour in the cotton fields and because of oil. Once their oil wells ran out they knew they had to get cheap oil in order to keep advancing and keep on top. The oil industry is the biggest and most profitable industry in the world. Didn't you hear Bush's recent speech on the West's addiction to oil?

That is why they are constantly interfering in the Middle East. I recommend you read "Crude" by Sonia Shah and "Sow the Wind" by John Kaey for starters.

You have so missed the point. You are so boxed into your black and white, two teams only take a side mentality. No idea about taking individual issues-just blindness. You are sitting in a stadium voting for a football team. You would have to get your brain to understand that there are no sides just a million issues to be taken one at a time-that is until idiots who only see sides force the hand of more moderate people. There is validity in both criticising and encouraging your own and others. You think we can do whatever we want to them because they are on the other team. So barbaric-so mud hut of you. You and I do not live in the same universe. So you will always miss where I am coming from. ffffft-over the head.

Aziliz,

U wrote: "... I am not a moslem..."

You are certainly a Moslem sympathiser. Perhaps close to being a Moslem yourself. We judge you by what you write. So stop pretending your analysis is above everyone else.

U wrote: "... there are faults with Christianity and Islam..."

Like I said in the other thread - completely pointless position. Do you suppose anyone will remotely challenge such a rhetorical statement?

U wrote: "... in this instant... illustrate why the current war is happening....fffft over your head."

What's wrong if redneck brings up something different? He can talk about his sex life if he wanted. Are you being arrogant?

But worst, you then continue your rant along a different tangent: "Do you mean the 'technology... lining their own pockets?.. .."

If you are adamant that redneck's discussion did not associate with the current Middle Eastern crisis, in what way is your ranting connected to what redneck had said? In other word, you're one bastard of a HYPOCRITE !

U wrote: "The West did not develop ALL science or technology..."

You treat us like kids or something. Spare us such useless rhetoric next time.

I wish you could have read my comments on the other thread before posting this current one.

Like I said, I don't have to go through your entire posts to pick out lots of holes and frauds in your argument.

So next time, make sure to carefully think through EVERY STATEMENT before you post.

To me, you rants so far are mostly illogic rubbish lacking in credibility.