Irfan,

Glad to see that you changed your opinion regarding the PM's and Treasurer's comments made last week. I thought they were reasonable and I hope it is not just talk and legislation to tighen immigration and citizenship laws is enabled. Also to ensure prospective migrants get improved information regarding our society, before they come here.

I am not interested in debating religion verses religion and did not learn much from the posters.

I think you know what the problem here is. i.e. Lack of integration by many, but not all, Muslim males. If it is only a few, as you say, then they have done a bloody good job of giving Muslims a poor reputation.

Question? What to do about it?

It has been suggested to me that further generations will correct the problems, but I have doubts. I think the issues are cultural and the male attitudes are handed down through generations.

Our politicions do not have the solutions and neither do the thick Shieks. If you have any suggestions as to how integration can be improved please let us know.

Aziliz, I had written down your response: A day before you posted it;
Can’t put brains into statues.
I hope you are not a law student: With your credentials and outlook, The Victorian Government might appoint you as a judge in the Supreme Court. Only in Victoria Though. Or even a head of a department ?
Things that mmmake me go Hmmmmmmmmm

Coach **sigh**-I meant that the christians have by their own choice tipped out many of the laws in the Bible and chosen laws that are more kind, caring and civil. Not that they are bad people who break good laws. It was a compliment to Christians.

If you cannot figure out what I am on about it is surprising-I have been extremely clear. The 'mission' is only 'one man' because the other posters have scared everyone else off with their excessive abuse. Most rational people can't be bothered to argue when they are being abused.

Coach stop calling on Jesus to back you up.

What happens if you go to Heaven and Jesus says, "Sorry Coach you got it wrong-didn't you notice that Aziliz was preaching 'love your enemy' and especially 'remove the plank from your eye before you attempt to remove the mote from others' I want real Christians that practice my teachings not ones that just wear the Christian badge" and then he pushes the button that opens up the chute and you go flying down to the other place? Of course, this isn't within my belief structure but it sure matches yours.

GZTan-don't mix up being cryptic with being intelligent, there is a world of difference between the two. Now genetic codes are your topic. I never mentioned it. So you give your position on it and then expand on it. You are obviously interested in it. If you are not prepared to give your position on your own subject nor to go into detail on it then you have some cheek asking me to.

Banjo missed the point too. It is not religion versus religion. It is blind bigotry against a rational look at both sides.

A High Court Judge or Head of a State Department? Gee All, thanks for the compliment. It is much appreciated. :)

So you think you are finally getting it. I have been forced to repeat myself often enough, it is about time. Bet you didn't get it word perfect;)

Aziliz,

I'm not pretending to be intelligent. I don't even know if my questions will not backfire on me. It is a matter of two-way communication in a debate. I throw something at you and you return with your thought.

But you are certainly not returning anything we can further discuss on. Just being evasive and side-stepping.

Perhaps you're right I'm too cryptic for you. So let me make it a bit easier.

Forget about 'genetic codes'. The way you've been ranting tell me you think there is this thing called 'XYZ' which is the basis of all evil. So what is it and where is it? Better still, how does it influence human history?

If you're not able to prove that there is such a 'thing', then your ranting on about human atrocities come to a waste of time... you have no idea why and you have no solution (whether viable or otherwise does not matter)... History just rolls on in a 'random' manner, so why do you rant on?

coach - "Well if you understood the first thing about Christianity you would know that ALL human beings break ALL the laws ALL the time.". A law that most people are unable or unwilling to abide by is clearly not a reasonable or just law, one that everybody breaks all the time is not even worth considering. The problem is obviously with the law maker in that case rather than the breakers of the law.

Much like telling my son that he is in trouble if he can't make his bed when the bed is a bunk bed. The problem would be with my rule rather than his failure to follow the rule.

That particular belief is one of the great sicknesses of your gospel, any parent who treated his or her kids to the kind of injustice that your god supposedly treats the human race would have the kids taken away from them (if the various child protection agencies were on the ball) and placed with sane and caring foster parents rather than sick sadistic parents.

Laws that we cannot ever succeed in following make the "five pillars" sound like a good deal and I don't want them either.

In regard to your comment on the other thread, I don't accept Islam as such just as I don't accept Christainity. Much though I would like beliefs in strange gods to disappear from the world I don't want to live in the kind of world where we try and force that. I accept that people can be good, bad or indifferent regardless of their religion. I see much of what is happening here as a combination of a turf war by christains not wanting others on their turf and fear that has been stirred up as a result of some sections of the muslim community with big issues. Right now fundy christains are a much bigger threat to the freedoms that mark Australia than our muslim population is. Many of the tactics you ascribe to muslims are just as validly ascribed to christain fundies in their quest for power.

R0bert

RObert: If you knew anything at all about the Christian Bible you would know that the law [the big ten] could not be properly observed by humans, that's no, none, not any humans. It was set as a schoolmaster telling us just that. Today we do it by faith in Christ Jesus [that's the Christian Christ Jesus - not the ugly pagan moslem jesus of course, these brainless pagans get everything - unless it's to do with death and destruction, fouled up] His, that's Christ Jesus' righteousness is attributed to faithful Christians who have accepted and seen the need for His sacrifice. Even our "good works?" are not acceptable that is will not make us righteous. Death loving, suicidal, misogynistic, brutal moslems must show their god - hubna the moon god of mecca - their "good works?" so to get at the 70 virgins and the 32 'pearls' that's perpetually untouched boys with bottoms like peaches. Could/can never quite work out what the pagan moslem women get other that watching their men folk 'bonking' forever. Fine upstanding people these holy pagan moslems they are aiming for an X rated paradise - what utter and total ding-a-lings eh? numbat