Mr Aliliz's posts are typical of the Muslim persecution complex which lists aggression against the Muslim world by those dastardly Christians. Muslims are still raving on about the Crusades which most Muslims think happened just last week.

I am certain that Muslim school books have never told you this before, Mr Azilitz, but all of North Africa was Christian before Muslim invaders conquered them with the sword. Muslim armies got all the way to France before the French king "Charles the Hammer" stopped them. In the West, Muslim armies made it to the gates of Vienna twice.

If you are so concerned about warlike behaviour and anybody conquering other people, then when is the Muslim world going to give Constantinople back to Christianity? If you will not support the notion that Muslims have stolen Constantinople and must give it back, then spare us the feigned moral outrage.

Your only beef if that we are winning. The reason why we are winning is because Islam can not cope with the modern world and we are powering ahead of you.

GZ Tan - you'll not bother with me again. I'm sooo upset, I'll just take my bat and ball and go home.

Redneck

Majority of Muslims want to move into 21st century and not in favour of Sharia law. But how would you know? You only assocociate with people the same as you.

Not an apologist for anyone - just loath bullies.

Kekenidika

You are painting an entire community with the same brush with statements like "Lebanese Muslims WILL not integrate with the current Australian society because they are Muslims". Do you write for the Australian?

Aziliz

You go girl.

And to all - a good day!

jimmyj-Some Australian sites:

http://www.icv.org.au/latest.shtml

http://www.icv.org.au/news.shtml

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/20/1095651245879.html?from=storylhs

http://www.afic.com.au/Open%20letter%20to%20Muslim%20leaders%2027%20Jul%2005.htm

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/muslim-summit-repudiates-terrorism/2005
/08/23/1124562829836.html

http://www.afic.com.au/Amn.htm

not quite manifestos.

To balance, some Christians who speak out against the maltreatment of
Moslems:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ctmag/special/prisonabuse.html

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week921/exclusive.html

http://www.nrcat.org/

http://gbgm-umc.org/global_news/pr.cfm?articleid=3223

http://www.cfba.info/analyst/york_daily_record.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4259062.stm

I searched hard for Christian links and I’m not satisfied-where are the main churches on torture? Moslems constantly cry out against Islamic terrorism against Christians/the_west but other way round-not much. Nice to see someone on this thread show some curiosity.

Anyone who wants to change our_laws to suit their religion? Laws are laws-whether they’re religious or otherwise. Each law needs to be taken on its own merit and needs to be reviewed over time and changes of circumstances-hence the problem with religious unchanging laws.

There are some who claim Australian law is based on Christian values-so should it be thrown out for that reason? I wouldn't advocate tossing the baby out with the bathwater. Most religions have some good laws.

Keith you quoted the wrong bit :)

"You have described some despicible behaviours.
However the problem is not of bigotry but more ignorance.." At first I thought you meant the ignorance of non-Moslem Australians but to my surprise you go on to describe Moslem ignorance! Lesson in English comprehension-if you say "However" it means you are qualifying your last remark. It reads that’s why Moslems get abused on the street. If it’s not what you meant but just a mistake in how you phrased yourself then simply say so.

Boaz_David, "Violent, aggressive, blindly bigoted, one-eyed ignorance is the enemy. Whether it’s Islamic, Christian or other." That’s a quote from my post. Does this mean you’re converted BD? It’s good you’re being more balanced and see there are problems on both sides. This is what I am trying to achieve here. Nice you agree with me for a change.:)

**Sigh** but you’re off on your bending knees by force and insistence you’re a sheep-oh dear BD I’m afraid you’re a lost cause after all.

Redneck, I just said Sharia wasn’t strictly followed in any Middle Eastern country other than Saudi Arabia-that means most Moslems don't want to follow it exactly

How many Bible laws aren’t followed by Christians? Most Christians would be horrified at the thought. If you wish to argue against Sharia or passages in the Koran that’s fine-I have no problems with that, I’ll join you. But not all Moslems follow Sharia or every line in the Koran just like Christians don't ascribe to every line of the Bible and interpret it differently.

Redneck-the answer is already in a previous comment of mine: "Whatever I say about inappropriate behaviour from the west the answer is-but look at what the Moslems do-"Gee they're allowed to be barbaric-I want to be too". I’m also talking about the last hundred years in setting the conditions for what’s happening today-Bush isn’t trying to win back Constantinople:)

All-hah, another back down. You don't believe in being a slave to profit or you would insist your wife went to work-so your post on money was a waste of time. I'm doing amazingly well here considering what I have to work with.

I don't understand you? I understand you very well;) Barring me saying you don't believe in women in the home, I got it right didn't I? (and that was dripping with jocularity-I knew you couldn't be both antifeminist and want women in the workforce).

Poor All, you sound like you’re not coping. Like looking after a wife and maybe kids is overwhelming you-so scared of 'parasites' who are sucking you dry. But is your wife a paraplegic? Does one of your children have a severe heart condition? Perhaps a teenager with severe schizophrenia? Have you had a stroke leaving you partially paralysed down one side and still carry on? Now, that would be hard.

GZTan-If you’re interested in genetic codes, why not research it then let us know. It would be nice to get something intellectual on this thread instead of the banal "if I insult you more that means I win" without any factual information.

Bye Scout. Many here know if they use abusive tactics they silence others-they think that makes them right. Sad, hey?

Azilis,

Like many other posters here I still can't figure you out except to say that you are on a zealous one-man mission for that "something-you-don't-even-know-what..."

Another of your silly statements just proving your perilous journey:

"How many Bible laws aren’t followed by Christians? Most Christians would be horrified at the thought."

Well if you understood the first thing about Christianity you would know that ALL human beings break ALL the laws ALL the time.

The laws were put there - in the Old Testament - just to prove that very point.

Without God's Grace and His intervention in Jesus, we (humans) would have been still trying to figure it out by ourselves. And many are...

This is where Muslims and Jews are stuck: they are still "UNDER THE LAW" - living by the laws - they refused to accept God's redeeming sacrifice in Jesus - therefore they are lost in the wilderness...

Your writings on OLO are a demonstration to "us Christians” that you too are among the very lost.

Without Jesus in your life - there is no hope for you in this life and the next.

So stop bothering everyone and start searching for The Only One that can give you peace and lighten your burden.

YOU don’t need to know all the answers but you must know HIM who has all the answers.

Aziliz,

Your response is what I had expected... You don't fool me by pretending not to know this is on the basis of logical reasoning. (No technical knowledge on genetic codes is required.)

I'm not optimistic we can even communicate. But I'd give this another shot:

Questions for you - Is there a set of 'genetic codes' somewhere, the underlying factor of a steering force which caused the French and British to do what they did, one that seduced Winston Churchill into 'gasing' the Kurds, caused British/US to manipulate the Middle East and to torture Iraqis in Abu Graib.. etc...etc...? If so, what is it and where is it?

Or will you continue to side-step because you cannot cope?