Scout - Please explain your statement:

"It is Buddhist - so you needn't be scared."

Did you mean:

1. That's not Muslim so therefore it's harmless?

2. Redneck is only concerned with and offended by muslims?

3. Buddhism could be a better alternative to main stream religions for our culture in Australia.

4. You only meant it as a joke or attack on redneck's alleged islamophobia?

5. You don't have a clue but thought it was funy when you wrote it.

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Benjamin,

I too was horrified by the 60 minutes animal cruelty in Egypt - that only goes to show the difference in cultural values of most people of that religion. This was only one example, and it is not limited to Egypt of course.

As for "halal" killing of animals, I'm not sure how it is in Australia but in islamic countries I have personaly witnessed street slaughtering of sheep; one after another have their throat slit enough to get the blood drained out completely (no traces of blood is to be consumed by muslims). Death is slow, painful, the animals convulse and moan in agony for many minutes - to the delight of the keen audience - including the children of course.

Chickens, rabbits, pigeons etc...at the local butchers - suffer the same ordeal daily.

I have seen butchers rush out of their shop with knife in hand - get into a bloody fight, cut a few people, then return calmly inside, wipe the knife and resume their work, serving clients, as if nothing happened.

Another time I witnessed some male muslim youths back from a day at the beach. One of them produced the stump of the umbrella he was carrying and knocked a barking dog on the head killing him instantly, while the group cheered and laughed themselves silly.

Different values... different cultures... one melting pot?

Benjamin,

For what its worth many Muslims who watched the 60 minutes were shocked at what they saw.

Growing up in the very same country, Egyptians are not shown these things. What we saw was barbaric animal cruelty. The irony is, animal cruelty means its non halal and most of us concluded that its easier to trust the Australian slaughter Halal than the Muslim ones.

What we saw was sickening,

Benjamin

In my adulthood, I have had time to reflect on the behaviours and attitudes concerning animals that I have witnessed during my times of living in farming communities.

I have witnessed a sheep being slaughtered by having its neck slashed, a common practice on farms when they need meat. When they are going to slaughter a 'killer', unfortunately the event becomes family entertainment, and the children gather around to watch.

I also witnessed a brumby slaughtered because the grazier needed dingo bait. The brumby was cut into small portions and the portions put in a cement mixer with poison. The poisoned meat was then distributed throughout a large paddock of the property. They regreted that every animal (birds etc ...) would also be poisoned, but their aim was to decrease the dingo population.

I am aware of the common practice of farmers putting an unwanted litter of kittens or puppies into a sack and drowning them.

Approximately 15 years ago, for recreation, townies would go pig and roo shooting, and moralise their choice of recreation by claiming they were doing the farmers a favour.

My point is, barbaric behaviour towards animals happens in Australia too, and carried out by Australians.

I believe cruelty towards animals does not necessarily make that person or society 'barbaric', it just means they are less educated and more dependent on subsistance farming as a source of income. And it is unrelated to religion. As Fellow_Human states, he was shocked at what he witnessed occuring in his own country.

Well, I will say one thing for you Scout, you have more intestinal fortitude than David Latimer. Of course, your English comprehension could do with a bit of a brush up if you think I am angry.

Getting angry and out of control has never been the cultural practice of the British descended people. But it does appear to be a passion popular with people from the Middle East who are noted for their belligerent behaviour. And that from a region of the world where such behaviour is rarely even remarked upon. British descended people don’t get mad, they get thinking. Remember proudly your British culture. “If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs….”

I see that you are still saying that you can have polite conversations with Muslims. Provided, of course, that you are not impolite enough to ask any hard questions.

As for the poor old wimpish Buddhists, their peaceful ways availed them nothing when the Taliban blew up the 2,000 year old Babiyan Buddhas. Funny how just about every Muslim in the world went beserk over the Danish cartoons, but when their own adherents blow up an ancient revered treasure, all we got from the Muslim world was a deafening silence. Perhaps you could bring this subject up with your Muslim friends? Or is this subject “impolite” too?

Onya Coach.

So she wrote: ".... you are adversarial... that you cannot even respond to me using my correct moniker - Scout."

What interesting mentality, sigh...

Notice how she sucks up to those whom she agrees with?

Worst, advising newbies like st_alk to "Please ignore Coach..." as if others don't have a mind of their own.

It's a well known fact Muslim girls maintain their 'modesty'. Hence some Muslim men have no choice but to look outside for 'cheap' girls. After some socialising, these men actually become quite good at manipulating their girls.

Sure, redneck was mean in his post about her. But honestly I've been wondering if she is not her Muslim boss's favourite pet.

Surely that would explain something...

Redneck, Coach and GZ Tan

Sad and sorry creatures all. Because you wish to paint all Muslims with the same brush the best you can do is cast aspersions on my morality?

Sounds like you all could do with some relaxation exercises and not a little self-reflection.

BTW GZ Tan - obviously you have been catching up on past posts in which case you would know that Keith and I sorted out our communication problems, so why are you trying to make an issue of it now? Just desperation I guess.

Well the most you have achieved is prove the point of Irfan's article and condoning the picture of Islam as a monolithic, homogenous culture.

I guess Douglas Adams summed up the contrary nature of human beings thusly;

"Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so."

Cheers m'dears