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An ignorant Australian? : Comments

By Irfan Yusuf, published 22/2/2006

Editorial writers of 'The Australian' seek to paint a picture of a monolithic culture of recently arrived Muslim migrants.

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Scout,

My error with your non-de-plume was genuine. I’m losing my sight. I apologise.

Adversarial? Me? Never! I’m simply interested in controversial matters.

You misinterpret what I write and you attribute me with attitudes I haven’t expressed.

I don’t bother questioning people about their faith. I do enquire about ways of life. I’m inquisitive of such things. I’ve never met anyone who has found my interest intrusive or rude, except for now.
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I give people due respect and am sensitive.

I’ve never undertaken a straw poll. I have however noticed many immigrants ignorant (in the sense of simply not knowing) of the official statements with regard to Australian multiculturalism. I’ve also found few Australians aware of the official position. Few people I know express their concerns with multiculturalism in any manner other than in such terms as ‘Australian values’, ‘if you live in Australia you should live like Australians’ etc, etc. Our official multicultural policy states explicitly what is expected of immigrants…and of all other Australians. It tends to support the adherents of the above expressed views.

I’ve never painted Australian culture in one broad brush. That you think I have says your comprehension of my unstated position is assumed and unsound.

I find all people strangers until we converse. It isn’t difficult to get people talking about themselves. You’ve assumed I’d just walk up to someone and blurt out ‘What’s your position on Australian Multiculturalism’. In my real world such behaviour would make me a lunatic. For you to think I would…well that makes you judge and jury…and… well you can go figure.

I’ve found most humans human.

I agree minorities screw things up for the majorities. But also many things get screwed up by widespread community ignorance. eg. The White Australia Policy of 1901…the disenfranchisement of Indigenous people in 1902…the continuing inequality of women, …

I answered and returned Irfan's question about multiculturalism. It’s only fair he answer mine or at least give some kind of response…don’t you agree?

Aziliz. What is it exactly that I am blaming on Muslims?

Redneck. That's a crock of shot.
Posted by keith, Sunday, 26 February 2006 6:22:43 PM
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redneck,

A good observation how muslims in Australia do not denounce their “bad apples” – The “quiet majority” is living in fear, shame and disgust from their religion but prefer to cling to life than to express what they feel and be persecuted by their own.

Scout,

Ms Balance – Instead of cheering all teams, give yourself permission to get down from the spectators stand into the main arena, choose a colour, and get into the real game of life.

Azilis,

You’re whingeing about how YOUR country is disintegrating fast – ask your Moslem relatives what it will really be like when Islam takes over governance here.
You might sober up a little and start counting your blessings. (if you are fair dinkum oz)

jimmyj,

I like your style. You’re spot on re:”The leaders all want to implement Sharia law – look at the statement from Victoria’s Islamic council yesterday - they want sharia law but want it by democratic means. The sad bit is that they are so out of touch with reality that they feel this statement is going to make people happy.”

I’ve just witnessed a three-night “theological” public debate between a Muslim and a Christian in Sydney – the muslim guy distorted biblical verses, insulted some politicians, vilified Jesus, mocked the bible, offensively degraded non-muslim Australians, and did not miss a chance to sell the sugar quoted islam (when he was running out of argument) Incredibly…out of touch. Needless to say he was no match against the evidential power of the gospel.

Muslims truly believe that they have the answer to all our problems!

And the tragedy is that the “Scouts” of Australia are converting to this barbarian, barbarous, boorish, brutal, coarse, cruel, fierce, graceless, inhuman, lowbrow, primitive, rough, rude, tasteless, uncivilized, uncouth, vulgar, wild (sorry could not settle on one synonym) cult they call religion.
Posted by coach, Sunday, 26 February 2006 6:33:27 PM
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An excellent article. Well done Irfan.

'The Australian' is not my choice of a rag. It's target demographic appear to be intolerant, right-wingers.
Posted by Liz, Sunday, 26 February 2006 11:15:11 PM
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The recent post by redneck is sick and entirely offensive. It is heartless, violent and threatening towards Scout. This is far worse than mere name-calling. One of the worse posts I have ever read.

This is a disgusting attempt at causing injury to a contributor. This is clearly the sole purpose. There is no argument, no point to such an image. Its reckless design puts an honest contributor directly into a horrific fantasy of the author's invention. This post is not about islam, but about attacking Scout.

The post also offends by pre-supposing the personal, private life of a contributor in a way which is contemptible. It also pre-supposes the motivations and beliefs of her friends, in a false and unjustified manner. This makes the post defamatory also.

The post breaks the rules of the forum in that it is likely to cause distress and inhibits the enjoyment of the site by users.
Posted by David Latimer, Sunday, 26 February 2006 11:24:28 PM
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To Mr David Latimer.

If it is “heartless and offensive” to deconstruct the illogical attitudes of those people who are unable to comprehend the very real danger which Muslims pose to Australian society, then that is just too bad.

My opposition to Muslim immigration can be summed up easily. Muslims, even the so called “moderate Muslims”, believe that Sharia Law is the law of their God. That even so called “moderate Muslims” support this law was demonstrated last year when Amina Lawal was sentenced to be stoned to death in Nigeria. There was no outcry from the so called “moderate Muslims” in this country that this execution was an affront to Islam. Nor any outcry that stoning people to death for ‘adultery” was cruel, barbaric or unjust. As a matter of fact, the newspaper “Letters to the Editor” sections of The Sydney “Daily Telegraph” and “The Australian” newspaper were full of letter from Muslims supporting the execution. One columnist in “The Australian” newspaper presented one letter from a 16 year old Muslim schoolgirl who had been born in Australia and who also supported the stoning to death of Ms Lawal. The columnist presented this girls opinion as an example of the very real social and cultural divide that exits between Australians and Muslims.

Now, I am a person who has had sex outside of marriage. You are a politician, perhaps you could explain to me why I should be tolerant towards people who wish to stone me to death? Don’t dodge the question, show a bit of backbone and display to everybody how you can mix it with us disgusting “racists” who you think are all idiots.

If you don’t have the guts to cross swords with me, then I would presume that you are just another politician who lives in a marginal electorate who does not want to upset his Muslim constituency. What is good for your own people is secondary to your own self interest.

I do not live in Victoria, so the Inquisitors and Commissars of the Racial Vilification Act can not shut me up.
Posted by redneck, Monday, 27 February 2006 6:53:46 AM
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I am proudly Assuie proudly a strong male of middle age.
And not uncomfortable with my education being mostly self taught as like many country youth of my time school had to be second for the eldest to earning a liveing.
No racist, no redneck, I am however convinced some should never have come to my country.
ALP to the very end I agree with Howard and Costello on SOME Muslims.
Zero votes can be won for the ALP in not agreeing, however massive numbers can be lost in oposeing that view.
However personal insults to other posters show a failure in education far greater than my dislectic eforts and poor spelling, for some ego is indeed a dirty word.
Respect all views thats why Australians are different than some who opose us.
Posted by Belly, Monday, 27 February 2006 7:04:06 AM
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