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Keith

jkenno and giris

Look I think since you advance ideas and transferences that are very similar to those advanced by Dirk Moses in his article ‘Pogrom Talk’ I think it wise you read my posts to him and his responses to me. I think you will quickly find Dirk has departed substantially from the lines you are pushing.

hey Keith.. yes, an opportune moment to thank you for your gracious response to my 'nudge' :) I hope JKENNO and GIRIS both learn from such things about 'how to interact' with people

JKENNO you have posted 9 times at last count, not exactly a 'seasoned olo warrior' and hardly the experience here to go denouncing right left and centre those who's views you take issue with. Lets list some names.

-you 'carry on'
-u think the world is against u
-you have small minds
-you disgust me (as do most Australians)
-you should accept a diverse society
-You have no answers.

JK..
Such an approach won't win friends, but it SURE will 'influence' people if u get my drift. Some re-consideration of this 'diatribe' might be in order ?

You will find that quite a lot of interaction and discussion has gone into most 'opinion's here, and many of us know other posters positions quite well.

Just a couple of points on the witholding of the video footage.

1/ Daily telegraph released it, and within 24 hrs had identified a central perpetrator
2/ His family admitted he was present.
3/ Highly unlikely that he does 'not' know the names of many others in the group.
4/ The 'evidence' act was not a problem for jailing the "Jack the Anglo Penrith Branch ripper"

I don't think the evidence act is a problem here. Cooperation might be. Then, the threat of 15 yrs behind bars for riot might lubricate the cooperation cells to a point where some names can be offered.

The police are caught between under-resourcing and political correctness. Have you read Tim Priests expose' ?
http://www.australian-news.com.au/The%20rise%20of%20Middle%20Eastern%20crime%20in%20Australia.pdf

Try not to just 'judge' other posters by their/our emotional posts at the crest of a current wave of social comment. But even more important, perhaps setting ones-self up as a large minded, non carrying on,non disgusting, open minded person who has all the answers is not conducive to healthy interaction either.

But ur welcome to describe me as a 'Bible Basher' :) anytime. I don't mind

BD, you say “we DON’T tar ALL Lebanese with the same brush, nor are we 'superior'”, whilst with your Nazi propagandist buddy Friedrich and saying I need to accept a diverse society! Can we spell contradiction? Perhaps you shouldn’t be judging me?

Thor, I don’t know where to begin & I am reluctant to acknowledge someone who wishes rape on another’s daughter. But let me be clear - because I believe that people should be judged individually on the basis of their merits and not their skin colour or religion, I am a traitor to Australia?

Fredreich: “the brave Lebanese never had the fortitude to face the whites during daylight hours!” – I guess the people at Cronulla in their 100’s bashing those looking remotely ‘wog-ish’ is TOUGH? I thought no Australian condoned gang/mob violence, but it appears as though some are happy with groups of people bashing defenceless victims. This clearly happened on BOTH sides, contrary to your and Thor’s ignorance.

Meredith. I have nothing but respect for both your and my forefathers who fought against the Nazi’s in WW2. I do find it ironic however that you are now siding with some open white supremacists. That aside, relative to Aboriginal ownership, if I came to your land & stole it, separated your children to teach them to be more like me, put you into slave labour & sold the land after 50 years, I would think that you would still feel you had some right to the land no? And to Leigh re Aboriginals not having any concept of ownweship, tell that to the people battling against multi-national mining corporations (and a system designed against them) to stop the mining of their burial grounds in a court of foreign jurisdiction.

Keith – Dirk hasn't departed from any line I can identify. But I do agree with you: “I’m an immigrant. Where from? No-one gives a rats - I’m Australian!” Only when all feel this way can the issues be approached. And ostracising entire communities for the acts of few is certainly not the way to go about it.

jkenno wrote, “I’m an immigrant. Where from? No-one gives a rats"

Thats correct, No-one gives a rats where you come from, you are welcome here, all are welcome here. But what we want it to try and maintain this as a nice and happy place to live.

Racism does suck, but it seems to be a fact of life and or an evolutionary tool for survival of your kind, who ever you are.

As humans we also have the ability to override this fear/emotion, but this is Dependant on what you learn from your schooling, your parents and or religion if you have one?

(I am not religious and think the hard core religious nuts actually need metal help, but thats a another issue, and physics has now really made the need for god obsolete, we don't need god to explain how the universe cam into existence. This is why the pope asked Steven Hawkins to stop going back further and further in time. Because once you go past the creation of the universe our concept of god, as we know it, is obsolete.)

What matters is how people treat each other, you need to respect others whether you agree with them or not. They have as much right to breath the air, think and live as you do.

And i say if people can't live like this, we don't want them as a part of our community. I want a community with strong economy, which gives all Arabs, Aboriginals, Africa's, Mexicans, Asian who ever, the opportunity to make a decent living, a safe place to raise there children and a place where people don't have too live in fear of others.

This is what I want.

giris

as I posted above, no other group has held a knife to my throat and threatened to kill me because I am a "f@#Ken Aussie"...

'white' Australians side by side with 'black' pacific Island Australians - it is clearly not about the colour of ones skin - it is therefore about culture, not race...

AND

my question asked what other group can organise such raids against Australians... GIVEN THAT the Middle Easterns stopped and asked a man if he was Australian before he was assaulted, says that the Middle Easterns themselves DO NOT SAY THEY ARE AUSTRALIAN - this is the premise implicit in the question...

If the Middle Eastern say they are NOT Australian, then why is it that YOU say they are Australian...?