Well, the bottom line is this...

These radical groups can push and push all they want, but sooner or later the majority will become sick of putting up with the rubbish and remove them from the equation... thus problem solved

I find watching the extremists on TV saying they will win the fight, there is no way they can lose cause "ala" (what ever it is?) is on our side (note to mussies, ala is a load of crap, he's not gonna do crap for you mate).

Well NEWS FLASH, they keep it up, the west will remove them from the face of the planet, we have the Bombs, Plains and ships etc. we/the west have the hardware to do the job, we can remove/wipe/destroy one of the Extremist nations from almost anywhere on earth at almost anytime the west desires, pretty much at our own leisure, this is fact.

this is a little more effective than blowing up 25 people down at the local mall.

Another example of this is the Jews and the Palestinians, the Jews could remove them tomorrow if they felt like it, they have the hardware, they can do it when and if they feel like it.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee i think for some people...

Arjay,

I couldn't have said it any better myself!

Verdant you are right. The thing is that if the system had of dealt with these criminals earlier when they were budding bullies, there wouldn't be so much crime! Prevention is something that the system seems to not know how to administer.

Morris Iemma said that the system was now going to formerly outlaw bad behaviour and bullying. Question would have to be asked: "Why didn't anybody tell us that it wasn't outlawed before?" If the people had of known that the Police and system were not required by Law to do anything about bad behaviour and bullying then the People wouldn't have let it get to the point that it is at today where the people have had to resort to violence in order to be heard and to protect themselves.

The Police and system have not been dealing with thugs and criminals and bullies are ruling........Some of them are Lebanese, some are Australian, most are mixed.

Its a process and culture that needs to be changed.

I agree with Meredith that Islam as it is now and for the next 20 years will not be modernizing and adapting to more western values in any hurry. In fact, the opposite is true. Fundamentalist Islam is growing. Moderate muslims who want reform are struggling against the force of fundamentalism. It's crazy to see young muslims (especially women) demanding more restrictions and gender inequality than less. I personally find it extremely threatening and incomprehensible. Lets face it, women are not seen to be equal and anything less than a headscarf means the girl is basically a slut. Boys hang out in gangs of cousins everywhere in the middle east because that is the culture of Islam. I think our education system needs to attend to gender issues and women's rights issues more urgently than aussie patriotism as the numbers of muslim students rise in our schools. We need to do that not just for all Australians and Australian women, but for moderate muslims who genuinely want Islam to move forward.

Look people, a forum is a Forum and we need to address the topic issue.

Everyone is going off track. (Well Not Everyone) but the issue is the Cronulla incident. (We are speaking of the Cause) and It DIDN’T have anything to do with religion. It DIDN’T have anything to do with the Muslim race and It DIDN’T have anything to do with Jews / Nazis / White Supremacist and any other crap racism issues that have been brought up here. The fact of the matter is that the Bra Boys, and other beach loving locals to Cronulla had put up with fights, antagonistic directions and the fact that the streets were not safe to walk at night for many years now. I have seen, running with different clicks first hand actions against the white Australian (No white supremacist crap intended). We did’nt pick the fights, they did. This issue cannot be solved with big words and disillusioned opinions from people that have never lived first hand in the thick of it. When it all comes down to it, these riots were STARTED with men hating OPPRESSION in their own local area. It is happening all on the east Australian coast. I have literally been in the heat of battle against Lebanese men from all over Sydney, based on issues started by them. We have only targeted them by what they have done to us. We have never teamed up together to take them on without a good reason. Many reasons of course being of female rape. The riot that happened initially was not an attempt to crush a religion or race but individual people that have intentially tried to make our lives hell. We were not singling out race but face. If it was the Asians were on those beaches doing this we would be having a totally different discussion so that authenticates that it was not directed at race. Just remember that I do believe that it did get out of hand and the latter part of the riot had initially nothing to do with the beginning.

Keith,
Your German comment to rainer rang way truer than Dirks German note to rainer!

Yes minuet,
I thought feminism had finished its job well enough ages ago but yes, its truly needing to go back beyond even where the Suffragettes from. There used to be a very informative site called stopstoning.com from the Organization for Women's Liberation – Iran… but it seems to be down now except for this related article.
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:fTw8Ux2YwVQJ:www.azadizan.com/english/pdf/biweekly19.pdf+%22stopstoning.com%22&hl=en

Also Europe being 20 or so years ahead of us with islamic colonisation and PC-style-multicult this link
http://www.secularislam.org/women/bulletin31.htm is important as it includes a report of a woman stoned to death in Marseilles France! We can’t let it get to that stage here.

Ali Hirsali now lives under 24-hour protection due to serious death threats from islamists. Heres an interview with her, broadcast just today, she’s also done a lot on islamic women’s issues.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4640606.stm
it’s very worth downloading the podcast of the whole interview.