Fred- Riech,

I have been attempting to ward off the racist generalisations directed at ‘all’ Muslims and Lebanese people/gangs here in this discussion and in other OLO discussions focused on the Cronulla riots.

If you find this offensive that is your choice. Knock yourself out by telling me off. Whatever makes your day!

I do not support violent attacks by either Lebanese or white Australians. Read the hysterical attacks in this discussion and others and you’ll find very few Lebanese posters. Not because they cannot but because they inherently know that it’s useless trying to engage in constructive dialogue with posters who celebrate their hate for them part as somehow indicative of a nationalist culture. Nazis spoke in similar ways about Jews.

Colleagues of mine ask me why I bother, and to tell the truth I sometimes wonder why I do too. I’ve heard it all before a thousand times. I do get amused when some appear to think they’ve discovered a new piece of social and political thought when in fact you can track these antiquated ideas back centuries. Its short title is racism.

As for going home, I do go home when I can and not as often as I’d like to. Home is about 2000 klms away in a remote location in Nth Australia. Despite the past160 years which began with wars over land, wanton exterminations, then removal and relocation of many of family we still managed to live close to or on our homelands.

The history of race riots did not begin on a beach in Cronulla and nor did the theoretical, racial and xenophobic justifications to ‘keep our beaches white’ used by so many here. There are deeper psycho-social and historical explanations that need to be discussed but it’s difficult to do this once the fanatical ‘feast of hate’ begins. And it looks like your speaking with a mouth full of it and loving it. How clever of you! Bonapetite!

Meredith,

You are correct in saying that this country is legally ours, at least according to the laws introduced and enforced by 'white people'. And it's certainly true that our white ancestors contributed through hard work and sacrifice. I know mine did. I make no secret that I enjoy the privileges of living in one of the greatest nations on earth. But the fundamental question is what came first - the chicken or the egg?

As for the backwards baseball caps - more of a metaphorical reference to our violence-based alliance with the yanks. Culturalization at its best (note the 'zee').

I would say that punching is a part of our own culture though, at least for the blokes. I see it a few times a week at work.

Islamists beat, yes, as do lots of people. They rape, yes, just like lots of people. They bomb, like most 'war heroes' do, and all parties call it retaliation, justice or something very uncreative.

We all resent and judge. But judgment day will come, for those who believe, and in the words of Russell Crow, "You can convince yourself all you want that what you do is right and feel good about it in the morning. But if there really is a judgment day then it doesn't really f__kin matter what your opinion is".

I think we might all be a little confused. I resolve myself in the following verse:

Though the mills of God grind slowly,
yet they grind exceeding small;
Though with patience he stands waiting,
with exactness grinds he all.

Friedrich von Logau (1654)

I, like Keysar Trad, am ready for my grinding.

PS - I'll try out the 'not-bacons'. Last night I had vegetarian cocktail sausages with mash potato and gravy, very nice indeed.

Rainier,

I would much rather be aligned with Mr Hitler than Mr Trad.

Your trouble is that you won't admit there is a criminal mindset amongst a section of Lebanese Muslims.

You are indeed lucky that I don't run the show or the criminals would be on the first plane out. Back to throwing rocks.

Thor you ask the following question:

“It was an organised "raid" of up to 300 Middle Easterns - what other immigrants in Australian society can organise such an attck on Australians...”

I think Cronulla was a clear example of how this can occur within any community. That was the point of my last post if you had bothered to read any further then your racist lenses allow you to. You can throw around your unsubstantiated figures as much as you like, but what you can’t do is use such figures to justify your hatred for the Arab community. That hatred is merely born out of your own ignorance and stupidity.

Robert, how exactly have I gone too far “in dismissing concerns about the behaviour of these gangs”? I never even mentioned the behaviour. I neither dismissed or condoned it. Will my ideas only hold credibility if I start each of my posts with some sort of disclaimer saying how much I condemn violence as though this isn’t just a given?

The fact is that the posters on this forum have not been able to provide any sort of credible evidence to back up any of their ludicrous claims. There are some that will attack Keysar Trad as though he were the only Muslim to ever exist. As if he is somehow representative of the entire Muslim Community. The fact of the matter is that Keysar is not representative, he is not elected nor does he have the majority support of the Arab and Muslim communities. The only credibility he has is that given to him by the Australian media and others like those on this forum who find it convenient to use him as the brunt of their racist slurs

I wouldn't mind a dollar for every use of the prefix 'neo' by the lefties.

Aborigines tell us that they have no concept of ownership, yet the lefties tell us that they are the true 'owners' of Australia. Fat lot of good they were doing with it when we arrived.

While they might have been the first inhabitants of Australia, the aboriginal Australians came from somewhere else too.

We are told by these lefties what we 'owe' to the approximately 140,000 genuine ones still living, and how we inteferred with their wonderful lifestyle, but we ourselves have to tolerate our own governments trying to ruin our Australian culture by importing Third World cultures and pandering to them to bolster their muliticulturalism mania which will eventually send us back to the Stone Age barbarity that existed prior to the First Fleet.

Leigh,
Yes, the question of actual multicult value has recently been asked by at least 2 posters already here in OLO, I think I remember one of the lefties answering that some culture from the East bought Australia good dentists, as if Greeks and Vikings and their many children never had teeth let alone a toothbrush until multcult. They crack me up every time.

You’re right, its actually tearing Australia and any host country to islam apart.

Looking to Holland and much of Europe the poly marriage and breeding rates, of islamists is why I am unnerved. As you say “Different cultures will not hurt us. Governments enforcing the differences will.” I’m concerned islamists will be voted in by their highly faster growing population and attempt sharia/sharia-style/protective legislation i.e. Canada’s present strife. And worse yet… can you imagine OLO’s delightful budding lawyer Ifran as a Judge.

Good point! Separating enforced and natural multiculturism is vital.

PC and PC-style-multicult is more harmful than islam. It is all islam has supporting it, imagine a PC free society and islam would very “naturally” fall with in 6 to 12 months.

Thanks very much for the compliment, I dig how clearly you nail core points each post. I also enjoy the practicality of BD and Davo’s poetic one-liners.

Kenno,
Islamist… islam… ist/ism.

Islamists cannot/will not integrate into Australian culture due to their Islamism. Secular verses non-sec etc.

See above post to tubly on land ownership.

pluz stop bin “spellist” to .NetNoobie, and address his point on WW2 Japinezzz invasion and aboriginal defence capability.

what are your comments on my birthright, in the light of Australian Law on land ownership and my families contribution to your freedom?

Kaos,
Agreed, from the Aussie point of view, Western civilisation has long separated law and religion. islamists have not yet taken that step. Their hatred of us is religious beliefs/traditions, bikinis verses burka, un-modisty deserving and inviting to rape.
Here’s a link on islamic intolerance/preference in Indonesia.

http://www.infid.be/radical_survey.htm#Intolerance%20Is%20Still%20Hig