CJ Morgan, please do not suggest that I have the slightest affiliation, association or similarity with PALE. I have made it more than clear that nothing could be further from the truth.

Nor is it a matter of "middle class Western ideas of animal welfare", unless you find the material on this and other threads not to be illustrative of gross animal abuse and egregious cruelty. Whether these abusers are members of non-Western "users of animal products is not particularly relevant to a discussion about animal cruelty, but you and your cohorts are inordinately keen to tell us all about practiced inflicted upon "livestock" in Australia, so cruelty is not necessarily exclusive. It is, however, clearly far more prevalent, egregious and apparently enjoyed as entertainment in those cultures. That is simply an evidence-based comment.

Nor is whether or not I have "human" children remotely relevant to this discussion, and quite frankly, it is none of your business. Trying to patronize any of us on such a frivolous and personal basis is hardly rational debate, and is, also quite frankly, insulting.

Nicky

*As Lord Devlin said:*

Dickie dear, frankly I don't care what some British lord said. I care
about what I think and why. Now if it is beyond you to reason and
you need to parrot out others opinions, well okay, but I am beyond
that.

*who place their offspring in nests within our halls of parliament*

Hehe, you are clearly pissed off by the WA election results :)
People voted for those candidates and yes, it is fair enough that
25% of mining royalties be spent in the country, where that 100%
of that wealth is generated. Why should you city slickers cream
it all for yourselves? Without us, you would be knackered.

Nicky, of course your posts are racist! Perhaps you forget, what
you posted last week and the week before. You even object to third
world employees working on sheep ships, due to nothing but their
country of birth. Never mind that they might be trained, never mind
their individual talents and abilities. Fact is, you look down
at others from various countries based purely on race. Racist you
are!

Fact is that your posts are touchy-feely, blow with the wind, depending
on the correspondant and your changing opinion. One
minute you and Dickie preach about the evils of farming and making
a profit from livestock, next minute PF is ok after all, despite
being a farmer, generating a profit from livestock.

Now either you have a consistent philosophy or you don't! Either
you are preaching animal liberation ala Singer, or you are not.
Make up your mind. Just blowing in the wind as you do, is more
about what you feel, not about what you think, or your ability to
reason.

What we have so far from you, is a confused, mumbo jumbo contraditing
set of beliefs, depending on what time of day it is. All heart and
no brains, basically.

As far as insults go, nothing should insult you. You dish them
out daily, if you can't take them back, then stop posting

CJ Morgan

You are well aware pale work with Muslim leaders+ in fact we share not only a web page with them but a close working arrangment.
I know you are aware of this because for memory you commented on the site.
Considering this is the only organisation in Australia working so close with Muslim Leaders of Australia- be it Animal Welfare or anything else your comments are just plain stupid and we are hardly racist I would suggest.

BUT if somebody does the wrong thing - be it the Head Muslim Leader or the Head Animal Welfare Leader of Australia we WILL and DO speak out!
Thats not racist its HONEST.

We are not an Animal Liberation group. We certainly do not follow the same ideas as the other poster you tried to link us with.

RSPCA are a main stream organisation that do not have a problem with people eating meat. They 'do require' animals be slaughtered as close to place of origen as possible.

There is a big difference between Animal Liberation activists and Animal Welfare Organisations.


I am sure you are well aware of the different views held between PETA and PALE and RSPCA.

Despite that there is one thing that unites EVERYBODY. Its the outrage by the way our Australian Animals are treated in the intensive farming and live export industry.


As for any other comments I have made in the past about 'what ever person' that would be made in with a 'person' in mind - "Not a religion or place of birth."




As for asking the lady if she has any children.=

"How dare you ask her such a personal question. "Its none of your business.
Its off post and out of order.



Your commentss to most women are rude or very crude and personal comments at that.




Either debate Animal Welfare - fur china or any Animal Welfare issue or leave the thread I would suggest to you.

CJ! You are definitely too smart for own good. SMILE.

EVO

Dickie, what made you think that Yabby would have the slightest regard for what one of the greatest legal minds the world has known would have to say? If it is not within his personal creed of cruelty, of course he will ridicule it. Beyond that, I'm staying with my earlier decision and not even bothering to debate his repetitive rubbish.

As for CJ Morgan (and Yabby) personal insults, and the racist, sexist cards are the ones to play when you have nowhere to go and no argument of substance to advance.

For once, I agree with PALE. If you can't stay on the topic - the Chinese fur industry (and associated other animal atrocities in China), then start one on which you can indulge your proclivities for animal cruelty.

Nicky

My, I pressed a few buttons there, didn't I? You lot would make a good little Honours project for a Psych student - s/he could run your posting histories through a text analysis program and come up with all sorts of interesting correlations, I reckon.

However, I will leave you to it. I'll just pop back next time one of you makes another egregiously racist or otherwise offensive comment, if I can be bothered.

Keep up the good work.