"Considering we are the only full time Ban Live Export office in Australia = + our office is situated close to the Casino we were stunned AA did not contact us."

"Stunned" Pale? Why on earth would Animals Australia contact you?

You slaughter animals Pale. Get a grip on yourself - please!

Dickie

I will take it you have that on authority.

Allow me explain, to you, why everybody should have been contacted -apart from manners.

We cant have a organization representing the Australian public that only represents less than 6% of them while ignoring and blacklisting other organizations that represent over 90% Dickie , =that’s why.

Because as a peak leader of ~anything~ that is your responsibility. +
It doesn’t give you the right to manipulate your own agenda by ensuring programs other than your own go unheard.

You are 'supposed 'to treat everybody equally.

Despite the fact you may prefer other ideas to – (lets say Ban Live Exports) it’s arrogant not to listen to other proposals.

(I might add especially when your own has been tested for over twenty years and been unsuccessful and the trade has tippled).

Instead of coming on like the 4th of July Dickie you should think about your response to us more carefully...

Do you realize you have confirmed the underlying agenda of some which = isn’t to faze out live with chilled- is it?

No that’s not what some people~ really want~ despite claiming so on their web pages.

What some want is to stop people eating meat, drinking milk and so forth all together isn’t it?

After all that’s what ‘you’ really want isn’t it Dickey.?

At least have the decency to be honest enough to stand by your ~own convictions~.

I am sure that had you seen, any merit, in fazing live, animal exports being, replaced with chilled you would have said so by now.

You would have been more supportive and encouraging towards our work wouldn’t you?

That’s Ok I appreciate the fact that you’re entitled to your view.

We also are entitled to express ours

I have to confess to being totally mystified by PALE'S last two comments. Firstly, what exactly was the event at the Casino being referred to here? I doubt if personal invitations issued to anyone.

It is rather typical of PALE to be writing to the government seeking to discredit other groups. How PALE can possibly claim that the only enquiry by the government into animal welfare was defined by the vegetarian agenda (without proof as usual) is just extraordinary. That would be the last thing the government would want. It sounds more like it was simply that PALE's agenda was excluded, but it's hard to say, since they do not say what enquiry they are talking about.

And like Dickie, I'm rather perplexed about why PALE would be expecting invitations from groups whom it consistently vilifies.

Nicky

Ah, here she is speaking of the 4th of July.
Why wouldn’t pale or any other group, involved with Animal Welfare (or anything else) write to the Government.

Do you guys think you have a excusive rights on that as well.

When a Government says you have already someone representing the publics position on animal welfare already - so pls present your proposals to them - then we are 'forced' to explain that’s impossible.

I might add and what a time too! Rudd has promised to spend 40 billion on 'infustructure= ring any bells girls

Now I did get that right didn’t I ladies.

There’s no confusion over this is there.?

It’s not just a case of sour grapes and egos from your leader to us- is it.


No, -Well then that’s official then.

It’s because as Dickie said- pale work to kill animals.

pale works to have animals killed in Australia 'YES '.
That is to stop them being sent on death ships.

I thought that’s what we were all doing but thanks for the heads up.

No wonder why the Government and the industry won’t listen to you.

I mean wouldn’t you think that having lots of people attacking this problem from different angles would be seen as support for the other groups+ only strenghten their position.

Do tell us why it is a cardinal sin for someone other than you buddy to work towards finding a solution.

Oh Hang on I forgot, that’s not really what you want either- is it?

You don’t want an alternative or solution you just want people killing animals to stop.

Nice thought Nicky but perhaps you should have spent your heck’s fees on a degree in common sense.

Still I guess they must have liked some of our ideas otherwise they wouldn’t have been seeking meetings through back doors with the same people we invited them to sit with for five years ah.



Maybe - just maybe pales doing its job after all.

Thats Ok , we sometimes use back doors too.

It tends to allow fresh air into a room.

Moving on ladies, if all goes well I hope you will be just as interested to help the animals.

I am going to tell you like it is with the meat industry.

Halal 'WILL' lead the world in meat and many other things.

Australia will become a Halal slaughter country.

So here are our options.

1. We work with these people 'while they need us.'

2 Establish Halal Free range farms to replace intensive feed lots with abattoirs close by having the best equipment possible.
This is done by working in conjunction with Aboriginal Elders and Regional areas to create much needed self independence.
RSPCA QLD has already started aboriginal RSPCA inspectors training.
God bless Mark Townend.

The Animals are slaughtered in Australia and some are sent to Malaysia in full carcass to be distributed throughout the Muslim world and ME by JAKIM.
We open agriculture universities to train migrants entering Australia to run Free Range Farms and work as plumber’s electricians IT....

Elder’s real estate to establish Free Range Farms franchises. (If not Elders then there WILL be others.) I think a company that large must understand it would be smart to make some changes personally)

3 We establish on each Halal Farm and Halal vegetable farm as well.

4 * Heavily promote the Halal Vegetables and open a Halal vegetable fast food chain.*
(That’s is something you could both help right now with + we could do with a hand TBO) Also to assist to establish NO ANIMAL TESTED Halal Cosmetics.

From each vegetable plant and abattoir people will be sent funding to continue their work for Animals world wide.

A new Animal welfare watch dog body "will have inspection rights" and powers to put forth any subs on how to improve conditions.

Working with Halal those people will be invited to help to multiply these in other countries. Praise Allah

Now I can’t think of anybody better than Lyn White to pass over funds from trillions of dollars in donations to help establish this.

So if you don’t mind we will get on with it.

And still we are in the dark about the enquiry - and even more so about the reference to 4th July.

How does one deal with halal vegetables? Slaughter them facing Mecca (with the appropriate "prayer", of course). And don't pre-stun them. That's another reason why halal will never take over the market in Australia, the public would never stand for it.

Why is halal going to take over the world - and certainly what happens in Australia? Let's not forget that Muslims remain a minority in this country. While there may be a market for such products it is not going to take over the world any time soon. As for Rudd's promises - get over it. He couldn't care less.

What I DO know, however, is that the meat industry is moving on all this; I have just done a bit of research for them.

PALE, if you write to the government vilifying other groups, you cannot then claim credibility as an "animal welfare group". And the other thing that arose out of the above research is that the government wants discourse only with the peak bodies. I'd suggest that that would rule PALE (and a number of other smaller groups) out of the debate.

Good luck with persuading Elders and opening the universities though.

Nicky