Dickie
Here are a few words from Hugh Wirth =

*Ihave concluded my two-year term
as president of the WSPA but will
continue to serve the Society as the
immediate-past president. I was
gratified by the huge development
of the organisation achieved during..... *


There is no reason to speak that way- to us - Or I should say post.

My point was Hugh was President of WSPA and RSPCA for a long time . He now is Australias *immediate-past president.* ( "If you prefer').! He is still speaking on behalf of WSPA in Australia....
I am not going to split hairs with you over this- especially over Dr Wirth.

I do not think it assists to improve Animal Welfare or benefit Animals either by name calling.

You people have a long history of calling Farmers, Muslims, RSPCA and 'now the Chinese' names. That may serve to make you feel better in your frustration seeing the cruelty to animals but let me assure you that is self indugent and to make a difference requires a little more. In fact your doing untold damage .

We are ( supposed to be) reaching out to the public). The public reading your comments walk away from listening about animal cruelty when you start talking like that let me assure you.

Your leaders taught badly. This has been the problem over the last twenty years.

We all feel the same about animal cruelty but no degree of name calling will stop it.

The only thing that will stop it is for the industry itself to change.

For Animal welfare organisations to assist to guide farmers and those within the industry to see the huge protential in marketing the products as cruelty and disease free world wide.

To find other players to become involved within the industry who hold a high degree of standards regarding the way in which animals are treated.

Animal Welfare has become a political topic world wide.
We need to use this oportunity - not abuse it.

Do try to comprehend.

For the Animals .

People In Conjunction with RSPCA QL

Ah Dickie, it is fine for PALE (and Yabby and CJ Morgan) to call everyone else names, patronise them and insult them, and the rest of us, in PALE's view, know nothing about campaigning for animal welfare. I am mystified, however, about what role PALE played in enhancing PF's profile - PF does a very capable job without, I'd suggest, the dubious benefit of endorsement by PALE.

I'm not even going to bother with PALE's notions of who I am or may be - they thought Cuphandle, a retired farmer in his 60s, was Deborah from AAQ. PALE, if you think you know who I am, prove it (although proof is not your strongest methodology, is it?).

CJM, I will not withdraw from my comments about the Chinese, because the proof is self-evident and posted extensively on this thread. As the saying goes - "if the cap fits..." PALE, I have at no time "called Muslims names", I have criticized some of the worst of Muslim human (and animal) rights abuses and I do not withdraw from that either. As for farmers, the criticisms I have made relate to the practices of some farmers, those being intensive and live export farmers. I have made that clear, and you know it.

As for "supporting the real farmers" (of whom 50% are "gone" - where on earth do you get your statistics from?) the government does that to such an extent that I feel no need to; my tax dollars do it for me. It is farmers who need to learn that community acceptance of what they do and how they do it needs to be earned. You can only fool some of the people some of the time; the intensive pig farmers are finding that out with the "Lucy Speaks" campaign, which has been ongoing as a result of massive public support (BTW, did PALE make a contribution? I did).

Can we please now return to the issue of the animals in China and forget about Australian farmers, Muslims and the RSPCA on this thread?

Nicky

dickie: << Yabby and Mad Dog are sick, demented, excuses for humanity, sycophants of the criminal elements in trade and traitors to their own creed. >>

However aggressively you rant and rave, it was a racist comment from Nicky. Given the content of your blather, it's not all that surprising that you don't acknowledge this obvious fact.

Nicky: << I will not withdraw from my comments about the Chinese, because the proof is self-evident and posted extensively on this thread. As the saying goes - "if the cap fits..." >>

Nicky, when you wrote "So back to the despicable Chinese ..", I observed that it is an inherently racist statement in such a way that you had the opportunity to modify your characterisation of "the Chinese" as "despicable". However, you choose to reinforce the negative stereotype of Chinese in general in your subsequent post.

It appears that the most prolific animal welfare activists at OLO are not only exclusively female, but most of them have posted racist comments here over time as well. Nicky's and dickie's are good examples. I find this intriguing - while I'd expect to find some general misanthropic tendencies, that they express antipathies and ignorance about non-Western societies and peoples so consistently is a bit of surprise.

Has anybody else noticed this?

Oops Nicky, me thinks that this press release from MLA, which speaks
for 45'000 farmers, might just prove you wrong:

snip

Farm Day, which took part over the last weekend in May, has grown from a Victorian-only event in 2006 to a national event with more than 1,000 families registering to take part this year. Farm Day involves city-based families being hosted by farming families in a bid to bridge the city-country divide.

The survey carried out for Meat & Livestock Australia, the major supporter of Farm Day, asked city and farming participants a series of questions about their Farm Day experience and perceptions of farmers.

The survey found:

86 percent of city participants agree that Australian farmers abide by the most stringent practices to produce the safest food in the world;
84 percent of city participants agree that farmers are committed to enhancing and protecting the environment;
93 percent of city participants agree that Australian farmers genuinely care for their animals’ health and welfare; and
99 percent of city participants agree that farmers are important to Australian society.
“The responses demonstrate that Farm Day is imparting some important messages about modern farming practices,” said David Palmer, Managing Director of Meat & Livestock Australia.

“When people see for themselves how a farmer operates it creates a much more memorable impression and this impression is important for the future of agriculture.”

The survey also found that 95 percent of city respondents enjoyed their Farm Day experience with 98 percent of city participants saying they’ll take part next year.

CJM, the semantics of the matter are that "not withdrawing" from my comment is not synonymous with "reinforcing" it. Please try to understand the difference. Also, the fact that these atrocities are carried out in China, as a matter of routine, by Chinese people, supports that comment. That does not make it racist, it is simply a commentary on the behaviour of the Chinese people involved - not the people as a race.

Perhaps, in order to make it absolutely clear for you, I should have suffixed it with the world "behaviour", since you are so intent in a completely literal interpretation, although I suspect that this has more to do with trying to discredit any comment condemning animal cruelty for whatever your personal agenda dictates. I don't know what that agenda is or the motivation behind it, is so won't comment further on that.

Yabby, if you were at all versed in research techniques (and I am somewhat specialized in research techniques), you would know that you can make a survey outcome be anything you want it to be by asking the questions which elicit the answers you want to hear, and by surveying the people most likely to give you those answers. It's a bit like your naive myopia in following the usual MLA mantra/s - they are just what you want to hear.

Nothing "extreme" or "fanatical" from this side of the fence, in fact, only statements of real circumstances.

Nicky

*they are just what you want to hear.*

Ah Nicky, you mean just like the AA, Peta and other websites,
who preach what you true believers want to hear and will donate
your money to.

Your prejudice is rather obvious: If its not part of
your animal liberation campaign, then it just can't be true.

Extreme bias is what we are used to from you, nothing changes.