Nicky

Fair enough. Good comment.I think the best possible weapon to help animals would be to be in the position to hand over billions of dollars to Lyn White.

Now thats not impossible but it has to be done in a way where by funds contiune to flow.

Hense HKM and our farmer programe working with ME people.

Nicky there are many Muslim people who would invest in Australia.

Its the Governments in bed dealings with the shipping agents that is the reason for animal cruelty.

The Government could if they wanted turn all farms into free range and slaughter in Australia by reopening abattoirs.



The footage will be sent from China along with evidence of Australian cattle in the worste possible conditions.

If you say PETA cant afford to assist with advertsing in prime time TV regarding live exports and intensive farming then I suppose I have to take your word.

Although 40 million is a lot of funding and I know millions is sent to sponcer AL and others.

Regarding Andrew I can only say I didnt hear him or see him put out a media relase re AWB or anything on his web site either.

When I sent Andrew the information I also sent it to Mark Pearson and AA as well as Rudd.

Now before you start remember it was Australias largest Royal Commission and we SHOULD have highlighted AWBs connection to live exports to the public along with the cruelty involved.

( Make no mistake Nicky if the public SEE wbats happening they WILL demand its stopped.)


I am doing to disclose some information on the Malyasia thread.
All I ask is for you to read it before having a go at me.- please .

Like you I am only doing this for the animals.

We may be attacking it from a slightly different angle but I think thats required.

Nicky
I wanted to add there is no point in appealing to the Government or the industry.

Let’s face it the utter embarrassment for the Australian Government and the industry to have been exposed many times by an Australian lady x police officer. The disrespect shown by the Government to this x police officer just goes to show how low these people really are.

We simply must acknowledge these people have no concern for animals what so ever. They have zero sensitivity or any sense of moral values.



The truth is there is only one way to handle these people and that is to have people just as tough as these rouges and’ `even tougher.`’

MLA has extraordinary powers overseeing councils regarding placements of Abattoirs.

I for one would like to know why. I have already told you the head of MLA in ME contacted me some time ago and said very clearly they were NOT prepared to inform ME contacts of our invitations to work with Muslim leaders of Australia and farmers at grass root levels to form co joint ventures.
That in itself shows that this Government and our prior Government is bending over backwards to protect those involved in the industry.
After all Government agencies are using tax payer dollars and are ‘supposed to represent everybody.

There should be no favorites in this market or any other.
.
A disclose of donations to political parties is vital for Australia.
What donations are Elders and other making to political parties? Or AWB? And dozens of others.

What about the transport companies... Does Landmark made donations via one of many company names?
Do they donate to the AVA via any funding through vetinary universities?
Are these students often given the job of AVA president

Greetings all

October 2 is World Farm Animals' Day. This event has occurred around the world for a couple of decades.

Most events in Australia will occur this weekend so if any of you live in the Eastern States (check the "events list") you may consider attending one of the activities in memory of the 50 billion farm animals slaughtered each year, after being subjected to a life of pain and suffering.

Let's not forget the additional millions of animals also tortured annually in vivisection laboratories throughout Australia.

"Australian of the Year" (by Jenny Moxham)

The dairy folk are up in arms
In fact they're in a tizz,
'Cos Philip's dared to tell the truth
And say it as it is.

He's dared to let the public know
The tranquil dairy scene,
Is tragic for both cow and calf,
An industry obscene.

He's dared to say our water
Is too valuable to waste,
In growing feed for dairy cows
For nothing more than taste.

He's dared to speak about the great
Environmental harm,
That's caused by all the methane gas
On every dairy farm.

This man has spoken from his heart,
He has no hidden aim,
He cares for all on planet Earth.
(Can farmers say the same?)

This man is honest, good and true,
(Today that's something rare)
I salute you Philip Wollen!
Australian of the Year.

Philanthropist Philip Wollen was last year awarded the 2007 Australian of the Year award. Many in the farming sector, including the Victorian Farmers Federation president, are calling for the award to be revoked since Mr Wollen's recent comments on the dairy industry.

In a statement supporting Animal Liberation Victoria's "Milk Sucks" campaign, he labeled the dairy industry "cruel, unnecessary and unsustainable" Federal Agriculture Minister Peter McGauran said Mr Wollen should apologize for his "absurd" comments.

http://www.wfad.org/about.htm

http://www.worldanimalday.org.uk/Press2008/Aduki%20Independant%20Press%20-%20Edgar's%20Mission%20WAD%20event%20-%20September%202008.pdf

http://www.animalsaustralia.org/events/?event=31

Hi all

Thanks for that, Dickie - Jenny writes some amazingly powerful stuff.

PALE, have you been unable to find any links to dairy farming in China?

Nicky

Nicky
China is full of Australian dairy cattle. I gave you the opportunity to contact these same people in China 'direct'.
You declined...

No they didn’t build a site or do any links.

They DID confirm the cows are Aussie and took pics however.
Still I guess there is nothing new in that - is there.

I think you miss my point. I am complaining that peak Australian Animal Groups have ‘not highlighted’ that this wouldn’t happen if we produced our own milk products “here”.

I am complaining that ‘again’ they missed a good opportunity to point this out to the Australia public while highlighting the cruelty.

If we said Warning citizens of Australia= * your child and family could be poisoned and help us stop cruelty to Australian farm Animals by establishing Milk co-ops HERE then you might get some action.

But oh no what do they do- Tell people not to use milk. Great. Well done I don’t think.



To protest people using milk is silly and does a great deal of harm 'again allowing the media and Government to write us off as extreme.

It’s the same as telling people not to eat meat. Don’t eat meat- don’t drink milk. Don’t eat eggs.
There’s nothing new here. Do you honestly think if I thought for ONE SECOND that would really help animals I would be saying the same thing?

Can’t you see you are being led by a political monster that operates world wide? You say you’re intelligent then think about it for yourself.

This might make some animal lovers feel better about them but it does stuff all to improve conditions for Animals.

To do that you must come up with sensible alternatives to the Government, public and farmers- not to mention your overseas suppliers because without them you have no business.

You can only improve things for animals IF you work with a program to do just that.
By telling people not to drink milk you are ensuring nothing improves for Animals- ever.

That’s a fact. Stick your head in the sand if you wish.

Dickie

I know, you’ think’ I am having a crack at your buddies- but in real life I am trying to inform animal lovers of facts.

*Thank you lord for sending us a Rudd Government *– (who are nowhere near as smart as the Howard Gov was.)

Speaking of world Animal day pale received a telephone call (just a few short days ago) from a lady organizing Sunday.

Umm, interesting considering pale wrote to the Federal Government to complain about the peak body ‘only’ working with veggie organizations and black listing our group.

We asked ‘again’ why the Government would be happy to work with the small percentage of Australians when 96% few in fact meat eaters.

We used the meeting on the Gold coast last mouth as a classic example of AAs rudeness as the peak body.

Considering we are the only full time Ban Live Export office in Australia = + our office is situated close to the Casino we were stunned AA did not contact us.( Oh yes our people attended but that’s hardly the point.)

As well, we are wondering WHY RSPCA National and AA agree to these evenings being HOSTED by live exporters?

We consider it an INSULT to the Animals.

Neither Bidder Jones or anybody at RSPCA National including Dr Wirthless contacted us.

Hugh Wirth and RSPCA national KNEW we put together a program to phase out live exports with Muslim leaders and ignored it the same as Animals Australia.

We suggested to the Government to accept such a small minority of views for the nations preferred position on Animal Welfare was unbalanced and we suspected politically motivated.

We pointed out this is clearly unfair on the 'majority' of public.

Presto would you know it- *our first invitation to world animal day.*

Pardon us if we find that as confirmation + proof of what we had accused them of in the first place.

Oh and speaking of clicky political agend`s there was a condition however. * Wait for it*

That we don’t bring any Muslims to protest Animal cruelty. Crikey!