Fractelle

good post.

We were not demanding- I am sorry you took it that way. You didn’t answer the question BTW.

Regarding Yabby`s last few posts, (despite knowing, I will be unpopular,) he is correct.

. People need to be honest about their real intentions and not change horse mid stream.



Our approach to improve Animal Welfare and phase out live exports is totally different to anything that has been presented in the last twenty years. We know that.

We only ask everybody to consider it’s our attempt to make a difference.

We do believe that we need some hard headed tough people involved within the industry. Hungry people with a desire to 'take control' of the meat industry by cashing in on the enormous world wide publicity against the cruel live trade.

We are concerned by the way in which animal welfare is presented in general.

Animal liberation people should not run Animal Welfare. No wait,hear me out. Pls.

Nobody should run it. It should be 50 50 made up by ALL people.

Animal welfare should not be headed by the peak organizations coming from a vegetarian point of view.

Why? Because Australia is not a vegetarian country.

I suspect it was set up this way from day one- so it could always be put down to- Those extremists by the Government and the media.

This would not have been the leaders intentions.

However you ALL need to know that the agreement for the first ever animal welfare enquiry- was made under the promise it would only ever be presented from the one angle of vegetarians.

That set a precedent that these well intended people at the time probably didn’t even pick up on.

We say to the Australian Government we are NOT vegetarian or extreme. We represent the 98*% of meat eaters who demand humane practices from paddock to plate.

We say to the Government get your MLA and Austrade people out inviting ME investors to reopen abattoirs in conjunction with Farmers at grass root levels.

Ban Live Exports
People In Conjunction with RSPCA QL

Fractelle, nice to see you back.

Sadly, this thread has now become so corrupted by the Yabby/CJ Morgan/PALE agenda that there is no point persevering. I have already said that I'm not entering any more repetitive arguments with Yabby, dealing with the claptrap he repeats ad nauseum, nor am I prepared to tolerate any more sexist/religious/racist - or for that matter rubbish about animal liberation versus welfare and vegetarian innuendo, which is the hidden agenda for defending current (abysmal) practice in Australia and overseas.

This thread was about practices in China; the zoos, the fur trade and the dog and cat meat trade. It was never intended to be yet another soapbox for PALE to discredit other organizations, and push its anti-vegetarian agenda and slaughterhouse venture, as it does with each and every thread. GIVE IT A REST, PALE, for Heavens sake!

Nor was it intended for Yabby to use as a soapbox for his "poor Australian farmer" agenda.

Unfortunately, this has gone the same way as all other well-intended threads devoted to ending animal cruelty. The only question remaining is whether it is ever worth even discussing, because they all go the same way. As is usual, everyone but PALE, Yabby and CJ Morgan remain, with their unsustainable propaganda, which mostly only and Dickie and I remain to counter (apart from thanks to PF, Fractelle and Bronwyn). Frankly, I am bored with even trying. I think I'll move to a forum elsewhere, where there may be people capable of original thought.

I've provided the information I wanted to provide on this, and hopefully, for those who do care about egregious animal abuse, some enlightenment.

Nicky

Nicky dear, what a great way of avoiding answering those hard
questions! Thats fine, its much as I expected.

Don't forget to close the door behind you, thanks.

Bye bye :)

Fractelle,dickie,Bronwyn, Suzzanne

I think it was a fair question by the farmer.


Are you holding your views from the main stream point of view.
Or do you all think "animals should not be killed at all for meat clothes etc.
Are you followers of the peak bodies such as Peter Singers Animal liberation.
Or would you agreee with the RSPCA who say for animals are to be slaughtered as close to origen as possible.

PALE

If you had read my posts to this forum you would have the answers to your questions and know my views on slaughter, the fur trade and export.

Cheers to all.

Dear Nicky

I reiterate my thanks for bringing to our attention, the atrocities committed on animals by the fur trade in China. While I find the wearing of animal skins offensive, I was unaware of the abominable methods these people use to ply their trade.

I am certain other posters are also better informed – thanks to your efforts, so despite the false information passed off here by the obstructionists and used to deliberately prevent the proper welfare of defenceless animals, I would say: “Job well done Nicky.”

One need not be a psychiatrist to assess how many vipers are in Yabby’s head – a venal and lonely misfit (who declares he was abandoned by his spouse decades ago) babbling on about the evils of vegetarianism, even on totally irrelevant threads.

One thread comes to mind – Foxy’s “Older women are dating younger men - and the men are loving it,” where he declares:

“Oh I carry no baggage lol. The thread was going quite
well until along came Dickie, clearly a violent old
battle-axe! When her hatred for meat eating males
gets out of line, I tend to even the score. Clearly
its her baggage that is the problem.”

Where is the relevance to the subject Foxy raised? This is but one of the malicious and false statements Yabby mischievously peddles as being true since my partner and I are meat eaters – a well known fact on this forum. These are the depths to which this unconscionable misfit will descend.

That he expresses hatred for women by describing them as “touch-feely” and “all heart and no brains” is cause for alarm. That he expresses disdain for Nicky’s academic achievements reveals a simpleton and a vicious misogynist to boot, out of his depth and incapable of rational debate.

The threads this menacing poster has corrupted and abused, urgently requires Graham Young’s attention.

PALE

Your last post says it all about you. Your offensive interrogation of others has nothing to do with the issue of tortured animals in China. Hang your head in shame girl.