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Halal 'WILL' lead the world in meat and many other things.

Australia will become a Halal slaughter country.
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I don't think so. Islam's scripture does not contain any animal rights laws, and it is doubtful whether it even understands what was copied from the OT's kosher laws.

Do you even know 'WHY' you don't eat pork, for example - let's hear it, aside from just saying this is what your scripture says with no reasons given?

Or why the Quran does not forbid the mixing of meat and dairy, specified in the OT's kosher laws?

Nicky

*Why is Halal going to take over the world - and certainly what happens in Australia? *=
You will just have to take my word for it. Good to hear you’re working with the meat industry. America is going broke and vast amount of funds will be put into Halal world wide.

That’s not necessarily a bad thing 'IF' we work together with *them. *Remember Nicky the Muslim Leaders of Australia were the 'only ones' to speak out and offer to assist in diverting live to chilled from Australia.
Not one peep from our Christian Church leaders who blamed it on- (Oh, those cruel Muslims.) All while (we as the good Christians) send these animals off to ME alive knowing the cruelty involved in live exports.


http://www.halaljournal.com/?page=article&act=show&pid=2194&PHPSESSID=874a6acb26afa1a0ccde898ef5f1f7ff
http://www.halaljournal.com/index.php?page=article&act=show&category=0&pid=42
http://www.halaljournal.com/index.php?page=articlelist&name=Halal%20Industry%20Development%20Corporation%20 (HDC) &pages=1
http://www.halaljournal.com/index.php?page=articlelist&name=Company%20In%20Focus&pages=1

*PALE, if you write to the government vilifying other groups*
No, no Nicky not vilifying other groups - you got that wrong. Vilifying the Government for not having a more balanced mob and ‘complaining about them at the same time.’ Referring to Animal groups as extremists.

Pointing out we think it suites them and they are playing politics and have done so from the beginning of time regarding Animal Welfare.

btw we do have proof.

*The government wants discourse only with the peak bodies:)
Oh, Nicky how right you are.

A little secret.
Nobody needs the Government to do this.
The Government needs the farmers and the buyers and the companies that can put biz deals together. They also need answers for regional areas and aboriginal Elders.
We have meetings arranged with several within the Industry and I think the universities funded largely from overseas contacts will get Australian Gov support.



*How does one deal with halal vegetables?*

What do you care just so long as it increases the profile of vegatarin food outlets.
Now wouldnt it be nice to think a share of that and other projects went into Animal Welfare.?

I will let you know how that meetings goes, fingers crossed Nickyx

If Gandi were here he`d say =Thanks for all you.

IamJoseph,
Sorry I didnt see your post earlier.

Its funny you should bring this up now.

We just had a meeting with a group on friday
interested in having one blessing for all
Animals be it Kosher or Halal etc.

TBRO I dont care. However as it seem important
to you pls tell me why you think
that is as I am always interested
to learn.
I think you btw will find much interest
in Animal Welfare within Muslim communitys and not all of it is just lip service. ( Some is)
Getting back to your question - and pls note
I am not Muslim there are several
reasons given why they dont eat pork.

If your asking me I will say
one big reason is because of the ears+
the split in the hoof.
Other reasons =
Najs (Unclean)

Najs according to Shariah Law are;

* things that are themselves not
permisable such as pig (khinzir)
and all its derivatives, blood and carrion;

* any liquid and objects discharged
from the orifices of human beings
or animals such as urine, excrement,
blood, vomit, pus, sperm and ova of
pigs and dogs except sperm and ova
of other animals; and


There are three types of Najs:

* Mughallazah, which is considered as severe
najs which are dogs and pigs (khinzir)
including any liquid and objects discharged from their orifices, descendants and derivatives;
* Mukhaffafah which is considered as light najs.
The only najs in this category is urine
from a baby at the age of 2 years and
below who has not consumed any other
food except his mother’s milk;

Also because your nor you're not supposed to eat an animal that has hooves but doesn't chew it's own cud.

Kosher guidelines were drawn up in the Middle-East several thousand years ago. 42 types of animal that are forbidden. There is some controversy regarding several dishes right now.

"It can get VERY complicated,"

Re your milk and meat question..

I will however contiune in my next post.

World Animal Day in ten Minutes.

Off to bed to attend early morning.

Nicky
Just a quick one as I noticed I still didn’t answer your questions. =

*And still we are in the dark about the enquiry - and even more so about the reference to 4th July.*
Posted by Nicky
Answer =

4th of July= meaning fire crackers action, much activity and excitement, movement :)

Nicky posted
Why is Halal going to take over the world -......?

Answer.

Nicky, the meat trade you should know 'isn’t based on Australia other than being a very large supplier of live.
Overseas demands and despite Japan Korea and USA etc things will change in the next decade.

There are all sorts of new player’s world wide demanding more red meat as their country grows in wealth. Many are Asian countries and Halal will be right up there.

Now your question about what meeting I was referring to= the one in which you were discussing with PF on the other thread. I am sure our know which one to.

My response to the other matter you raised is as follows.

Nicky it might not be very clear to you why we would write to tackle the Australian Government for allowing a minority group (Such as vegetarians) to head Animal Welfare.
However it’s VERY CLEAR to us these suites the Government JUST FINE.

That way they can continue to brand Animal Welfare groups as extremists making it easier for them to fob off the other 96% of the Australian main stream.

So who’s playing the political game?
Take a closer look and see who has a political background.
How many Animal Welfare votes from the dems went to support ALP

. Think about it.

The same ALP State Govs allowing non stunning in domestic plants!

Why Didn’t Andrew for example ever ask Muslims to make a statement on live exports as we did? 20 years he had before we came along!

Why didn’t AA or RSPCA.
Speaking of politics it’s not something I enjoy, but someone has to point out the bleeding obvious.